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Post subject: Vintage Necks, how do you get the amber tint?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:44 pm
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So...on vintage guitar necks I have noticed there is a vintage yellowish tint going on. Could someone tell me if that was done on purpose during construction or if this is a natural aging effect?


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It's a sprayed on tint. No special aging.

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cryingstrat wrote:
It's a sprayed on tint. No special aging.


Why is that this 'spray on' is not applied to Fenders' today?


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It's a sprayed on tint. No special aging.


Why is that this 'spray on' is not applied to Fenders' today?


They do use it on several models. My EJ has it.

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cryingstrat wrote:
SurfRider wrote:
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It's a sprayed on tint. No special aging.


Why is that this 'spray on' is not applied to Fenders' today?


They do use it on several models. My EJ has it.


Is it a lacquer of some sort? I know some models have it, I love the finish of the Eric Johnson.


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SurfRider wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
It's a sprayed on tint. No special aging.


Why is that this 'spray on' is not applied to Fenders' today?


Sometimes it is, if it is a 'Vintage/RI' model. Or it used to be. I have several RI Japanese-made Fenders where it seems to have been done. I have to say that even a Polyester (not just Nitrocelluose) finish will yellow with time and exposure.

You can Google this, I've seen sites where some people have said that they will take brown shoe polish and give a light colored neck a very thin coat to mimic a 'Vintage' finish. But I don't recommend that.


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SurfRider wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
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cryingstrat wrote:
It's a sprayed on tint. No special aging.


Why is that this 'spray on' is not applied to Fenders' today?


They do use it on several models. My EJ has it.


Is it a lacquer of some sort? I know some models have it, I love the finish of the Eric Johnson.


I'm not sure exactly what it is. I know it goes on before the nitro finish. It's not a varnish. Probably some sort of paint.

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I thought I heard some manufacturers use fire to "age" the "vintage" necks...

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It is called Fender Neck Amber and it is a dye you spray on and then you
spray on the clear coat.

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Post subject: Neck tint and finishes
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:01 pm
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I don't work at Fender but I have done some wood finishing and re finishing and I paint for a living.
Fender is using either a STAIN on the wood or a TINT in the clear lacquer or polyurethane that is sprayed on the neck. I suspect it's a TINT in the Clear finish as this would get the job done and remove a step (staining the neck) from the manufactiring process. I think they have said they are TINTING....
I like the looks; as I understand it the older Fenders were tinted to give the guitar more visual character and appeal. The older finishes did eventually turn with age; and that's a "problem" with older chemistry some would tell you. Like older Strats and Teles that were once white are now off white.
While we're on the subject of finishes....
In the "olden days" (when I was a kid...) Lacquer was used because there was nothing else... at least I have never heard of clear enamel...and it had some benefits as well as drawbacks such as it's hard; but not tough; it cracks easily; prone to cracking when hit or exposed to sudden temperture changes or stress (bending) and the older it got the harder it became.
It also dries really fast so dust and bugs (generically called "trash" in my profession) is minimal and you can (you almost always have to buff lacquer; it dries so fast it has a tecture called "orange peel" when applied thickly that is sanded smooth and then buffed out with liquid polishing compounds and sheep's wool) buff it out to a beautiful shine; perfect to manufacture. OK.
Now I don't know about this "breathability" that's been talked about here; lacquer is hard it doesn't expand or contract worth a damn that's why it cracks with sudden temp changes. If "breathing" means it's porous; NO it's not; or our guitars would show wax, alcohol, spilled milk, what ever is around in the environment where we play. Stuff would bleed through the finish and appear blotchy under the finish.
It can be sprayed thinly over a sealer, otherwise the wood will soak a lot up. That's why you can see and feel wood grain under the paint after you paint your fence ; well untill you have "filled" or you leveled the surface with numerous coats.
All finishes have a "feel" to the trained and experianced touch; the differences are hard to describe (for me anyway) without actually touching while writing this.
Polyurethane is TOUGH meaning it will take some dinging; it will dimple before cracking; it withstands temp. changes much better than lacquer and here's another thing about lacquer: 20 years after you apply it you can remove it with solvent. Yep; it'll soften and become liquid. Poly won't; just as enamel won't either.
Poly is better for the environment too as it cures like epoxie does instead of losing the solvents through evaporation; more VOCs in evaporation than curing.
Poly is pretty solvent resistant; like to most anything you're likely to have around your home. Paint thinner or reducer doesn't do a thing to automotive grade poly; airlines use it because it's so tough and shines like a brand new penny for way longer than regular enamel or lacquer.
So those are the advantages/disadvantages to the 2 systems as relates to our world here.


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You can buy it on the net I have used it once. It is called Fender Neck Amber it is a aniline dye . The same company sells nitrocellulose laquers also you can use, Guitar reranch I used the stuff on a Warmoth neck and
it worked good but I over did it a little bit for a sixties look.

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cvilleira wrote:
You can buy it on the net I have used it once. It is called Fender Neck Amber it is a aniline dye . The same company sells nitrocellulose laquers also you can use, Guitar reranch I used the stuff on a Warmoth neck and
it worked good but I over did it a little bit for a sixties look.


Great info. I'm sure many here will be getting some of that.

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dna9656,,, WHHEEEE,,, Thanks for such an
in depth explanation...

I heard (don't know if this is true or not) but
hardly anyone is using real Nitrocellouse
Lacquer anymore... I heard that from a well
respected Luthier...

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