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Post subject: Re: The American Standard, Now With a Channel-Bound Fingerbo
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:47 am
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New and varied options are great. If, and only if, the commitment is also there to provide parts and replacements.
Until and unless I see a channel-bound fingerboard neck available without having to buy an entire guitar, I don't see that commitment.
Too many of Fender's guitars don't have replacement parts already. That an American Standard would lack parts seems wrong.


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:32 am
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arth1 wrote:
New and varied options are great. If, and only if, the commitment is also there to provide parts and replacements.
Until and unless I see a channel-bound fingerboard neck available without having to buy an entire guitar, I don't see that commitment.
Too many of Fender's guitars don't have replacement parts already. That an American Standard would lack parts seems wrong.


Excellent point. I guess they assumed (and we all know what happens when one assumes) that those replacement parts only need be a warranty thing. Hopefully, they'll fill the void in time.

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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:44 pm
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What seems to be downplayed here is the fact that for those who demand it, the 'pure' vintage appointment models are still abundantly available and FMIC has no intentions of discontinuing them; so what's the problem?



I guess if you're a guitarist that is true. However, that had nothing to do with my point. You can't get a First Generation Precision with correct appointments outside the custom shop. The American Vintage line has been around for 32 years and we still haven't gotten one. Yet every year there is the newest batch of gimmicks and junk rolled out. I'd like to see the reaction if they scaled back the American Vintage line to just the Strat and Tele and they each only get one model for the 50's and one for the 60's for 30 years and see how many of you would keep this stance. No Jaguars, or Jazzmasters. No left handed models. No multitude of custom colors on different models. Please... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: The American Standard, Now With a Channel-Bound Fingerbo
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:51 pm
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TheKingofPain wrote:
Martian wrote:
What seems to be downplayed here is the fact that for those who demand it, the 'pure' vintage appointment models are still abundantly available and FMIC has no intentions of discontinuing them; so what's the problem?



I guess if you're a guitarist that is true. However, that had nothing to do with my point. You can't get a First Generation Precision with correct appointments outside the custom shop. The American Vintage line has been around for 32 years and we still haven't gotten one. Yet every year there is the newest batch of gimmicks and junk rolled out. I'd like to see the reaction if they scaled back the American Vintage line to just the Strat and Tele and they each only get one model for the 50's and one for the 60's for 30 years and see how many of you would keep this stance. No Jaguars, or Jazzmasters. No left handed models. No multitude of custom colors on different models. Please... :roll:


I now get your point. Hopefully, FMIC will too. If for nothing else, it would surely increase their sales.

How about it FMIC?

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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:29 am
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I never seen any American Standard P or J with channel bound necks. What's going on? :twisted:

FMIC, add a channel bound P-Bass in the series, please! :idea:


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:58 am
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I never seen any American Standard P or J with channel bound necks. What's going on? :twisted:

FMIC, add a channel bound P-Bass in the series, please! :idea:


If you read the thread you'll see this feature is a "leftover" from the discontinued "Select" series that flopped and has now been discontinued. So unless the Select basses came with them I'd say the chances aren't good for you. Hey, don't worry though. You can still get one from Fender. Just pay the Custom Shop 4k plus and you can have it. :twisted:

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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:31 am
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The Select series is still listed in the products page! :twisted:


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Post subject: Re: The American Standard, Now With a Channel-Bound Fingerbo
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:42 am
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TheKingofPain wrote:
If you read the thread you'll see this feature is a "leftover" from the discontinued "Select" series that flopped and has now been discontinued.

I see no indications that the Select series flopped. They're not filling up the walls of guitar stores at reduced prices, are they? If anything, they got a bigger price hike than most models did when the prices went up.
What I do see indications of are politics. The Select series was the brain child of the old CEO, and the phasing out seemed to have started right as he left. I'm not surprised if this is a new broom effect.

What I see as a problem with the Select is that Fender can't just hire a guy off the street, give him a 3-day training, and have him churn out Select parts. Woods like Malaysian Ebony and AA Birdseye Maple aren't the easiest to work with, and don't exactly grow on trees. Er. Um. Well, you know what I mean :D
You have to tie up highly skilled labor to keep a product line like that going - labor that could be used for churning out yet more relic models with less work and at twice the price.


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:16 pm
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I would think the Select, Deluxe, and Hot Rod lines are fairly redundant. I can see the wisdom in getting rid of one of them. I don't see the Hot Rod series going anywhere as it's more of a bridge between the Vintage line and the Custom Shop. I think the Deluxe line could simply start using the upgraded wood along with it's already higher end features. Having three "premium" lines seems a tad bloated.

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I can see Charvel taking over much of the Hot Rod and Deluxe type market. Those kind of guitars are what they do best already. If FMIC gives them a larger advertising budget, that is (because right now you can say "Charvel" and people say "wut?").
But the Select line was also about the exquisite wood and finish, not just the improved hardware - perhaps that segment is better served by Hamer?


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:04 pm
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arth1 wrote:
I can see Charvel taking over much of the Hot Rod and Deluxe type market. Those kind of guitars are what they do best already. If FMIC gives them a larger advertising budget, that is (because right now you can say "Charvel" and people say "wut?").
But the Select line was also about the exquisite wood and finish, not just the improved hardware - perhaps that segment is better served by Hamer?


Good thoughts arth1, Hamer's Chaparral 12-String Bass is a beauty and Charvel has rock guitar mystique, I agree with you and have thought about Fender super iconic guitar status which can be augmented by sharing the design excellence of these great brands that Fender has included in the family.

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Post subject: Re: The American Standard, Now With a Channel-Bound Fingerbo
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:15 am
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arth1 wrote:
I can see Charvel taking over much of the Hot Rod and Deluxe type market. Those kind of guitars are what they do best already. If FMIC gives them a larger advertising budget, that is (because right now you can say "Charvel" and people say "wut?").
But the Select line was also about the exquisite wood and finish, not just the improved hardware - perhaps that segment is better served by Hamer?


Which is why I think the American Deluxe line could simply "absorb" the "Select" woods. They already do higher end electronics and hardware. No reason the American Deluxe model can't "take it to the next level" and start incorporating the features of the Select market like exotic woods and channel bound fingerboards with compound radii. That would give get you back to 5 tiers of American made factory product. The Special for the entry level players, The Standard, The American Vintage and Deluxe, and then the Hot Rod which blends the Vintage and Deluxe features. This worked fine before the Select series came along. There's nothing wrong with the Select series on paper. However, it kind of dilutes the Deluxe market. Why not simply make the Deluxe line better? The Select and Deluxe lines target the same segment of players.

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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:32 pm
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Wow! Fender could give away $100 bills and some people would still complain. :roll:

Fender sells what is popular. If only a relatively few people want a particular guitar, it doesn't make sense to continue to offer something that isn't selling. On the other hand, continuing to innovate and offer something new and different makes a lot of sense. Fender still offers vintage spec instruments, and plenty of them.

I really like the idea of channel bound fret boards, really like the looks and feel. The Am Std is very close, but I want an SSS with the channel bound rosewood neck and maple fret board, and pups that I don't already have. I just might have to go with an HSS. 8)

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I'm with you on the innovation, changes, and options offering different things to different players.

If people want vintage type guitars well Fender makes resissues, and those aren't good enough then buy an actual vintage Fender.
Even with the resissues the vintage fans complain that they are the "real" thing.
Well of course not. It's 2014 not the 1950's or '60s.

Bound neck Strats are an option, nothing wrong with having options.
Personally, I also like the 2 pivot trem's and I don't get the complaining on those either.
Again, you want a vintage Strat the open the bank account there are plenty out there.


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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:11 pm
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I find all of Fender's various guitar lines fascinating and not unlike the situation with GM a few years ago. They had so many lines few people could keep them straight and their advertising campaigns were all over the place. But it kept the executives busy and made the car magazines interesting.

Here's how I see them:
American Vintage, Hot Rod, Select - Cadillac - pretty look and feel, world-beating performance
American Deluxe - Oldmobile - Cutting edge gadgets
American Standard - Buick - Conservative, good value
American Special - Pontiac - Pretty similar to Standard, cheap performance
Classic Player - Saturn - Little offbeat, have their followers
Standard/Blacktop - Chevrolet - Bulk of sales, everyman's product

Modern Player - Subaru
Classic Vibe - Saab

Coo coo insanity! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: The American Standard, Now With a Channel-Bound Fingerbo
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:53 pm
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I think the channel-bound fingerboard is quite elegant.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to actually see one in person at my local shop.
Some day, I hope to.

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