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Post subject: Re: Famous, Skilled Guitarists Who Just Don't Float Your Boa
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:32 am
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I think what Slash brought to the party was that he played a lot of blues based based licks in a hard rock band. Which back in the 80's wasn't common. You had hairmetal, which was pretty much guys running scales on pointy guitars. They all had the same tone, or had the same lack of tone. There was little to nothing special about any of those guitarists. The fact that Slash kind of went backwards to go forwards made him stand out. G 'n R proved that a rock band could still sell records. They were kind of the pay off for the groundwork laid by The New York Dolls. Instead of the rest of the hair bands which were just mediocre songwriting dressed up in fishnets, make up and a case of aquanet.

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:23 am
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We have a list here :wink:

You've got Brad at the top of that list and, from what I'm seeing, he's having a go in his part of the world. The appreciation of local stars within their individual solar systems cannot be ignored. You never know when the lightning will strike. 8)

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:07 am
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Regarding the Kenny Wayne Sheperd comments earlier; I used to agree that he was solely a Vaughan-abee...however, he was the opening act for a Joe Walsh show I attended a couple of years ago, and I walked away with a different view of him.

Yes, he's influenced by SRV, and he wears that influence on his sleeve, but I was impressed by his range and ability with other styles. I left that show with renewed respect and a casual fan.

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Post subject: Re: Famous, Skilled Guitarists Who Just Don't Float Your Boa
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:54 am
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Yes, he's influenced by SRV, and he wears that influence on his sleeve.......

Not only there. Like John Mayer and others, he wears his influences on his guitar.

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:50 pm
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John Mayer is a weird one for me. I remember him being like a pop star. Stuff like "Your body's a wonderland" type songs. And he seemed to be heavily influenced by Dave Mattews. Then all of the sudden Blues guy? That was a strange one for me.

Maybe he had some blues stuff on his first records, I don't know. I never bought them. But it's like I blinked my eyes one day and "Blues master John Mayer". What? When did that happen?

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I agree 100%. It was bizarre. Like I woke up one day and he went from being kind of a joke to being "the next big thing". I will say I enjoyed a performance on one of the late night talk shows I caught. So he can play, and I don't hate his sound. However, I have no idea how or when that switch happened. All this being said. This is still my favorite thing I've ever seen by John Mayer.


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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:31 pm
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Jah Soldier wrote:
John Mayer is a weird one for me. I remember him being like a pop star. Stuff like "Your body's a wonderland" type songs. And he seemed to be heavily influenced by Dave Mattews. Then all of the sudden Blues guy? That was a strange one for me.

Maybe he had some blues stuff on his first records, I don't know. I never bought them. But it's like I blinked my eyes one day and "Blues master John Mayer". What? When did that happen?


It's sad to say, but I think there may be people who confuse the name John Mayer with John Mayall, who certainly is a blues master.


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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:42 pm
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Pat Metheny, John McLaughlin..they spent a great deal of time gaining their knowledge but does it sound good?

I don't like fusion guitar much. The chords those guys play sound horrible with any distortion at all. Save that stuff for bebop.


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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:08 pm
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Pat Metheny, John McLaughlin..they spent a great deal of time gaining their knowledge but does it sound good?

At last, somebody mentioned John McLaughlin! I will give him credit, though, for helping me grow up musically: more than 35 years ago, he and the Mahavishnu Orchestra finally convinced me that there were guitarists I could never like or appreciate, no matter how hard I tried. I felt free to like what I liked after that ordeal.

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:52 pm
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Jah Soldier wrote:
And he seemed to be heavily influenced by Dave Matthews....

Wow :!: :shock: You saw that too :!: Right down to the facial grimaces I bet. IMHO Mayer's a pretty good blues player, but he lost that race to Bonamassa by pursued a 21st century version of bubble gum music and the girlie groupie following. Not to mention his dopey "Rolling Stone'' cover. Definitely not the cross-section of audience one sees buying Bonamassa tickets.

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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:48 am
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I think what Slash brought to the party was that he played a lot of blues based based licks in a hard rock band. Which back in the 80's wasn't common. You had hairmetal, which was pretty much guys running scales on pointy guitars. They all had the same tone, or had the same lack of tone. There was little to nothing special about any of those guitarists. The fact that Slash kind of went backwards to go forwards made him stand out. G 'n R proved that a rock band could still sell records. They were kind of the pay off for the groundwork laid by The New York Dolls. Instead of the rest of the hair bands which were just mediocre songwriting dressed up in fishnets, make up and a case of aquanet.


I think you make a very good point King and one that not being much of a GNR or Slash Fan, I hadn’t thought of. I can take or leave the “hair band” thing. Some of the bands I can listen to and take with a grain of salt. As far as tone goes, even though Def Leppard can arguably be put in the “Hair Band” category, I do believe that Steve Clark stands out as one player who did have great tone especially on the earlier stuff. Sure maybe Hysteria drifts from this but In my opinion, even with the bigger budget production going on, he still kept the tone in there. That’s just my opinion. Perhaps another player I think has great tone in a “Hair Band” is Frank Hannon of Tesla. I’m not the biggest Tesla fan but I do like his tone and playing. I know I’m supposed to be pointing out someone that doesn’t do it for me so I guess I’ll go with Dave Mathews. He’s got a career playing guitar though and I don’t so who am I to judge.


P.S. Steel Panther is pretty awesome though :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Famous, Skilled Guitarists Who Just Don't Float Your Boa
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:44 am
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captainc wrote:
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I think what Slash brought to the party was that he played a lot of blues based based licks in a hard rock band. Which back in the 80's wasn't common. You had hairmetal, which was pretty much guys running scales on pointy guitars. They all had the same tone, or had the same lack of tone. There was little to nothing special about any of those guitarists. The fact that Slash kind of went backwards to go forwards made him stand out. G 'n R proved that a rock band could still sell records. They were kind of the pay off for the groundwork laid by The New York Dolls. Instead of the rest of the hair bands which were just mediocre songwriting dressed up in fishnets, make up and a case of aquanet.


I think you make a very good point King and one that not being much of a GNR or Slash Fan, I hadn’t thought of. I can take or leave the “hair band” thing. Some of the bands I can listen to and take with a grain of salt. As far as tone goes, even though Def Leppard can arguably be put in the “Hair Band” category, I do believe that Steve Clark stands out as one player who did have great tone especially on the earlier stuff. Sure maybe Hysteria drifts from this but In my opinion, even with the bigger budget production going on, he still kept the tone in there. That’s just my opinion. Perhaps another player I think has great tone in a “Hair Band” is Frank Hannon of Tesla. I’m not the biggest Tesla fan but I do like his tone and playing. I know I’m supposed to be pointing out someone that doesn’t do it for me so I guess I’ll go with Dave Mathews. He’s got a career playing guitar though and I don’t so who am I to judge.


P.S. Steel Panther is pretty awesome though :lol:


True, and to be fair Cinderella of all bands had some really killer songwriting and guitar work that went beyond the usual hair band fare on Long Cold Winter. There were some guys doing really good work back then, but they were few and far between. The industry really went into excess with that genre. It seemed like every week there was a new hair band and they were steadily getting worse by the day.

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TheKingofPain wrote:
I think what Slash brought to the party was that he played a lot of blues based based licks in a hard rock band. Which back in the 80's wasn't common. You had hairmetal, which was pretty much guys running scales on pointy guitars. They all had the same tone, or had the same lack of tone. There was little to nothing special about any of those guitarists. The fact that Slash kind of went backwards to go forwards made him stand out. G 'n R proved that a rock band could still sell records. They were kind of the pay off for the groundwork laid by The New York Dolls. Instead of the rest of the hair bands which were just mediocre songwriting dressed up in fishnets, make up and a case of aquanet.


I think you make a very good point King and one that not being much of a GNR or Slash Fan, I hadn’t thought of. I can take or leave the “hair band” thing. Some of the bands I can listen to and take with a grain of salt. As far as tone goes, even though Def Leppard can arguably be put in the “Hair Band” category, I do believe that Steve Clark stands out as one player who did have great tone especially on the earlier stuff. Sure maybe Hysteria drifts from this but In my opinion, even with the bigger budget production going on, he still kept the tone in there. That’s just my opinion. Perhaps another player I think has great tone in a “Hair Band” is Frank Hannon of Tesla. I’m not the biggest Tesla fan but I do like his tone and playing. I know I’m supposed to be pointing out someone that doesn’t do it for me so I guess I’ll go with Dave Mathews. He’s got a career playing guitar though and I don’t so who am I to judge.


P.S. Steel Panther is pretty awesome though :lol:


True, and to be fair Cinderella of all bands had some really killer songwriting and guitar work that went beyond the usual hair band fare on Long Cold Winter. There were some guys doing really good work back then, but they were few and far between. The industry really went into excess with that genre. It seemed like every week there was a new hair band and they were steadily getting worse by the day.

I always hated hair metal and their shred-tasting guitarists in general (barring a few individual songs)...however, Cinderella's album "Heartbreak Station" and specifically the song "Shelter Me" was pretty dang good. Their guitar work and songwriting was more along the lines of a Stones/Faces guitarist than a Guitaristo Hairisto...

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I always hated hair metal and their shred-tasting guitarists in general (barring a few individual songs)...however, Cinderella's album "Heartbreak Station" and specifically the song "Shelter Me" was pretty dang good. Their guitar work and songwriting was more along the lines of a Stones/Faces guitarist than a Guitaristo Hairisto...



Exactly. To be fair Night Songs wasn't anywhere near as eclectic. It was pretty standard hair band stuff, and I almost never listened to them again after hearing it. However, I still remember being in the record store and seeing Long Cold Winter when it came out. I wanted to blow it off, but something told me to take a chance. Glad I did. Long Cold Winter and Heartbreak Station really showed there was more to the band than just what the industry happened to be selling at the time. Their audience didn't get it at the time, and I don't think the industry really did either. I did, though. Long Cold Winter remains to this day one of my favorite albums. Some really great songs in there.

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Another guy I just don't get is Joe Bonamassa. Technically proficient, sure, but in the end it sounds to me like a lot of notes in search of, well, something.
I agree with this 100%. If Skynet built a guitar player instead of a Terminator, it would be him. The "something" missing is a soul.


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