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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:53 am
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Yea, I'm not sure where the de-laminating thing comes from either. I'd personally be happy to find out that I had a guitar put together with Titebond. I use that stuff on a daily basis. The last thing I'd worry about is that glue letting go.

I had one and it happened rather quickly. It was a nice guitar aside from that but I got rid of it soon after. I didnt start this rumor but it does happen. At least it happened to mine.


What brand and model of guitar was it. How old was it. (This is like pulling hens teeth)

What were the circumstances that made it happen. Please don't just make a blanket statement and not add all the details.

It was a Artcor 73, it was brand new, it was the binding, I had it for about 3 weeks, I returned it to the store and did not get another one.

All im saying is that it does happen, maybe not on very many I dont know but it did happen to me. I have no idea why it happened and dont really care why. They are very inexpensive guitars and you get what you pay for.


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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:01 pm
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WildintheStreets wrote:
Fennycaster, they use really cheap, brittle glue on the MIC stuff. Many of those guitars will delaminate well before their time.

What brand of cheap glue would that be?

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:58 pm
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tbazzone : Thank you for clarifying that it was the binding that came loose. Not a delamination of the body. (a Bazillion Chinese made guitar owners just brethed a giant sigh of relief). :lol:

I had red AS73 in my time. Owned it for 13 years before I sold it for 25 bucks to a kid in my neighborhood who needed it more than me. (I needed a 5 way switch and a 250k pot at the time.) The only issue I had was a crack in the top finish when an amp was dropped on it as it was lying on the floor. My fault for putting the guitar down on the floor when moving stuff around.

I still hold that, dollor for dollor, Ibanez makes a better guitar than Ephiphone does. (JMO so take it with a grain of salt). Ephiphone has made a large amount of improvement since their China plant opened in 2000-2001. The pickups, switch, and electronics are not all that good unless you get a higher end model where the pickups are USA made in the gibson plant. The Ibanez pickups ACH1 and ACH2 are decent humbuckers. The Super 58, and Super 58 Custom humbuckers are great to begin with.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:07 pm
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You got me there. Probably the kind that doesn't cost much and dries really brittle like, with the guitar being remarkably cheaper and all. It's an assumption, but a safe one. There are cheaper glues out there, and with the rest of the guitar being made of cheaper materials, well...

I just wouldn't take a $400. online facts on a message board gamble, on what people are calling a myth. I can't believe people are even suggesting you buy a MIC Ibanez hollowbody. OP does have a point though. The guitar's cheapness might not show while he's still just learning his chops. What about when it's time to trade up though?

Since you asked Fennycaster, I can't suggest buying a bottom of the production line Ibanez, when you have other options.


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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:10 pm
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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:48 pm
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Don't buy one without trying the epiphone 339. It's smaller than most semis and plays and sounds incredible. I love mine.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:56 pm
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So much can happen with glue. You can have a bad batch that doesn't show any signs of being bad for 6-12 months. Humidity, time, how much they thin it all plays a roll. However, wood glue has been around for a long time and there are usually not problems. Also, the price of wood glue is not as high as other production glues. I'm not sure how much it plays into the cost of guitar manufacturing, but the cost does add up. I worked in a production environment and we used different glues (some were really expensive). I bet I killed more brain cells than if I had spent all that time partying. :lol: That's one way to make sure your employees show up for work - get them hooked on it. All in all, if it lasts for 1-2 years it is most likely going to continue to hold up unless you do something like heat it up. I have never had a guitar come unglued, cheap or not. I'm sure others have but that's not a normal thing unless it's some small part.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:20 pm
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WildintheStreets wrote:
You got me there. Probably the kind that doesn't cost much and dries really brittle like, with the guitar being remarkably cheaper and all. It's an assumption, but a safe one. There are cheaper glues out there, and with the rest of the guitar being made of cheaper materials, well...

I just wouldn't take a $400. online facts on a message board gamble, on what people calling a myth. I can't believe people are even suggesting you buy a MIC Ibanez hollowbody. OP does have a point though. The guitar's cheapness might not show while he's still just learning his chops. What about when it's time to trade up though?

Since you asked Fennycaster, I can't suggest buying a bottom of the production line Ibanez, when you have other options.


You don't buy a $400 guitar to trade up, you learn on it. Ibanez guitars start around $150 so it's not exactly a bottom feeder in the Ibanez line. Like I said, I have mo gripe with Ibanez and would recommend them highly. I've been playing guitar for over 45 years, and build a lot of my own gear.
Guitars, amps and effect pedals. I own some vintage guitars as well as newer guitars. My oldest Ibanez is 42 years old and is still very playable. People suggest ibanez because they had a good experience with them. I find the whole cheap glue thing pretty comical. Glue IS cheap. Epiphone has really upped their game too. They're not as cheap as people think and carry a lifetime warranty. The quality of these guitars is right up there with Fender's MIM. You don't have to buy a $400 guitar, but for myself and many other people if a guitar works for you, it's all good. I have 14 guitars in all kinds of price ranges. My latest is a guitar I made out of a bedpan. The Ibanez hollowbody archtops aren't bottom of the line. Ask George Benson. I buy American mostly now, but if something works for me, it could be made on Mars and I'd buy it.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:44 am
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I think what you get for 800~1000 price range (which feels like a reasonable place to compare arch-tops form these imports) is pretty much apples to apples.

It's just a matter of what you feel the most comfortable with.


The Ibanez hollowbody archtops aren't bottom of the line. Ask George Benson.

well no,, but they're also around $3k... so you'd expect top end experiences from something in this price range. from what I've seen on these, they look and sound fantastic..


and I agree, Epiphone has upped the game IMO I've had enough over the years to know, the newer ones are way better than what you would typically see back int he mid/late 90s, and early 2000s. (Unless you were talking Elitist series, than you're out of the ball park for comparing - the Elitist line was excellent)


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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:32 am
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Ibanez hasn't been around this long making garbage that falls apart. Back in the 70's they were actually as good as or even better than CBS Fender and Norlin Gibson.

Here's a demo of the bottom feeder AS73. It's not me. Not bad at all for a cheap guitar. I was going to change the tuners and bridge, but never had any issues with them on mine. I don't like the fact they're made in China, but the QC at Ibanez seems better than Fender's lower end guitars ans amps. Speaking of amps, Ibanez has a little lunchbox amp with a Tube Screamer built into it. Sounds pretty cool. I would still take an Ibanez Jazz Box over a Carlo Robelli any day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw6ktMaNsz8

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:44 am
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63supro wrote:
Ibanez hasn't been around this long making garbage that falls apart. Back in the 70's they were actually as good as or even better than CBS Fender and Norlin Gibson.

Tru dat.

My drummer has an 1979 Ibanez F-360BK acoustic, and I would put that baby waaaay above ANY Norlin of ANY vintage/bloodline...in fact, I would put that baby above many/most guitars worth three times as much, no matter who the maker.

I used to own this guitar, and I stupidly sold it to him when I was broke. At least I get visitation rights and get to play her occasionally.

This is not hyperbole, this is fact. That guitar looks, plays and (most importantly) sounds gorgeous...

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:15 am
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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:14 am
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I really did like my Artcor 73 and for the money I think its one of the best deals on any guitar. If it wasnt for the binding issue I would still have it. When I took it back GC didnt have another one and I didnt want to wait so I got a Jimmy Vaughan strat instead.


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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:46 am
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Tim, Ibanez just came out with a 12 string version of it. Didn't try it out, because the last thing I need right now is another guitar. I'm planning on building a clone of a Marshall 18 watt 1974x around December. I want to build one more amp. I was going to build a BYOC Tweed Royal head but I already have my 5e3 so it would be a little redundant. I don't really have a straight up Marshall clone in the rig. The Egnater has the EL84's in it but it ain't a Marshall. I may sell the Egnater after I build the Marshall clone. After that, all my amps except for my 74 Champ will have been built by yours truly. I might go with Tube Depot again. I got great service from them. It also looks like they started using F&T and Mallory caps. You have to make your own turret board. It's not hard. I've been building effects like crazy. I just built a clone of an Ibanez Flying Pan and a Univox Super Fuzz.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:21 pm
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63supro wrote:
Tim, Ibanez just came out with a 12 string version of it. Didn't try it out, because the last thing I need right now is another guitar. I'm planning on building a clone of a Marshall 18 watt 1974x around December. I want to build one more amp. I was going to build a BYOC Tweed Royal head but I already have my 5e3 so it would be a little redundant. I don't really have a straight up Marshall clone in the rig. The Egnater has the EL84's in it but it ain't a Marshall. I may sell the Egnater after I build the Marshall clone. After that, all my amps except for my 74 Champ will have been built by yours truly. I might go with Tube Depot again. I got great service from them. It also looks like they started using F&T and Mallory caps. You have to make your own turret board. It's not hard. I've been building effects like crazy. I just built a clone of an Ibanez Flying Pan and a Univox Super Fuzz.

I want to build an amp in the worst way but time is very limited lately. The 18W marshall clone sound very tempting. Let me know how it turns out I really need a low wattage amp. Im into Marshall lately as seen by the pic above.


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