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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:03 pm
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Fennycaster wrote:
But what can you guys say about feeback with hollow bodies?


I had a Gibson 70's ES345 and when driven a bit hard it would howl like a wolf. Got rid of it and went to a Gibson ES 335 Studio...no "f" holes and no unwanted feedback and it still had that semi hollow tone. I think TBAZZ mentioned that guitar on page one of this post. Very good choice if you can find someone willing to give one up! I have had mine since the mid 90's and no problem with blues, country, or even some Nugent. Great guitars.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:49 pm
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Anyone got an opinion about the Epiphone P93?:
http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Archto ... m-P93.aspx

A local pawn shop has one been sitting around a year in New shape. He wants $600 for it with a hard shell case.
I think that's way too much........don't know if this is even made anymore.
Maybe can talk him down.


$600 is too much for that guitar. I went to Sam Ash to try one out because they were having a sale on them. For whatever reason, I couldn't get into it. I think I've mentioned before that I'm not a p-90 fan. So that could have been part of it. I wasn't overly impressed with the craftsmanship either though. Not bad, but nothing special. Very cool looking guitar, I didn't gel with it.

What I did find that day was a better crafted LTD XTone, and pickups that sounded very good. Sweet sounds coming out of that model. I just tried it out for the heck of it and found it very easy to play. Don't mock the headstock. LTD did a good job on these.

I'm actually very happy with my Schecter though. No need for another any time soon.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:25 pm
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The whole Ibanez delaminating thing is total BS. Sorry guys but it is. I've had an AS73 for about 8 years and it was at least a few years old when I bought it. It's still in one piece and I take it to gigs where I would be worried about getting smoked for my nicer gear. It plays and sounds pretty nice. It's not a 335 by any means but it suits my purposes. I also have an Ibanez Concord acoustic from 1972 that after forty years the bridge is starting to lift. I just leave it around without a case so that was my fault. Still 40 years is pretty good for a ninety five dollar guitar. Hoshino/Ibanez USA is located in Bensalem, Pennsylvania. It is about five miles from where i grew up in Philadelphia, Pa. Ibanez was so good at making copies in the 70's they got themselves sued buy Gibson. Joe Satriani and Steve Vai both use them as well as countless other professional musicians.

Epiphone also makes some fine guitars. I'm not a big fan of the Epi P90's but I have them in my Gibson LP 60's Tribute Studio and I love them.

I don't know where the brittle glue thing comes from, but that's pretty much BS too. Just about every large manufacturer including Martin guitar uses Tite Bond. It's pretty much Elemers Wood Glue and it's really inexpensive. You can even get it at Home Depot. Most comments made about these guitars are usually made by people who never even picked one up but heard something somewhere.

I've been buying strictly American guitars for many, many years. But the Ibanez AS73 is the only one I own made in China. The Ibanez Concord was made in Japan back then. I traded an old Roland 707 Guitar Synth for the AS73.

Get what suits you, do some research and don't listen to the rumors and urban myths. I'm not brand loyal. I own Fender, Gibson, A vintage Supro and Danelectro, Martin. Yamaha, and a few home made guitars. Don't let rumors steer you away from what you like. If you take care of it, it'll be fine.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:55 pm
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Another great Ibanez that I picked up recently, an S770PB. :D

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:00 am
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As many have mentioned, everyone has an opinion... and is entitled to it ! :wink:

Personally I like my Heritage H-535:

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Granted, it is more expensive than many of the guitars discussed here, but not quite in Gibson territory. Used, they can be had in excellent shape for around $1200.

Terrific guitar and to me, well worth it. With the Seth Lovers in it, you can Rock it, Blues it or Jazz it, very versatile. 8)

I viewed it as an investment. Not an investment to make money, rather the same investment a mechanic makes in his tools.

As always, your opinions may vary.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:21 am
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Yea, I'm not sure where the de-laminating thing comes from either. I'd personally be happy to find out that I had a guitar put together with Titebond. I use that stuff on a daily basis. The last thing I'd worry about is that glue letting go.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:25 am
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Jah Soldier wrote:
Yea, I'm not sure where the de-laminating thing comes from either. I'd personally be happy to find out that I had a guitar put together with Titebond. I use that stuff on a daily basis. The last thing I'd worry about is that glue letting go.



probably happened ONCE and perhaps even brought about by someone being careless with humidity and now, it's urban legend, or sure, a one off defect always possible..

anyway.. I've had plenty of epiphones over the years.. I have four now, (arch-tops of various sizes and models) and they are rock solid.

and if you've ever seen/played one of the Elitist models,, well those are a horse of a different color..

for example, my 2004 Chet Atkins/Country Gent. it ROCKS! too bad most of the elitist are no longer in production.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:35 am
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KidBlast wrote:

anyway.. I've had plenty of epiphones over the years.. I have four now, (arch-tops of various sizes and models) and they are rock solid.

and if you've ever seen/played one of the Elitist models,, well those are a horse of a different color..

for example, my 2004 Chet Atkins/Country Gent. it ROCKS! too bad most of the elitist are no longer in production.

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does the joe pass has the same quality as an elitist guitar? Can it resist some distortion because I like the style of Kurt Rosenwinkel so I want to put some (not much) distortion on it like he does and a bit of chorus.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:10 am
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does the joe pass has the same quality as an elitist guitar?

for a side by side comparison, I would say no.

IMO, with any of the Elitist models it would not be a fair comparison with what is coming out of the mass produced, standard Epiphone line up.

The Elitist were made in Japan and a lot of the work that was put into these was hand done and the materials/electronics were not what you would consider "off the shelf stock". (eg: USA made electronics, and hi end hardware components)

regarding your "distortion" question, that's more a factor of how you have your amp settings to accommodate the sound you are going for.

Consider that Humbuckers are usually going to require less gain settings on the amp to breakup as compared to a single coil equipped guitar.

Also since we don't have any idea of what you are using for amplification and what sort of effects chain you are planning to put in the signal path, I can't really give you any advice at the moment on how to achieve this. but I would off hand, say -- use less "Gain" or "distortion" settings, (go for a cleaner setting!) and if you have a compressor, use that to smooth out your overall attack and give you more of an even sustain without the "grind" that overdrive will give you.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:07 am
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KidBlast wrote:
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regarding your "distortion" question, that's more a factor of how you have your amp settings to accommodate the sound you are going for.

Consider that Humbuckers are usually going to require less gain settings on the amp to breakup as compared to a single coil equipped guitar.

Also since we don't have any idea of what you are using for amplification and what sort of effects chain you are planning to put in the signal path, I can't really give you any advice at the moment on how to achieve this. but I would off hand, say -- use less "Gain" or "distortion" settings, (go for a cleaner setting!) and if you have a compressor, use that to smooth out your overall attack and give you more of an even sustain without the "grind" that overdrive will give you.

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For the distortion I mean like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiw8CTK2o_Q

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:15 am
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Indeed, with the right amp, the JP can come close to delivering those kind of sounds.

That is a pretty clean, straight up jazz tone to my ears.

It's more the amp and the signal chain than the guitar/pickups.


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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:18 am
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KidBlast wrote:
Indeed, with the right amp, the JP can come close to delivering those kind of sounds.

That is a pretty clean, straight up jazz tone to my ears.

It's more the amp and the signal chain than the guitar/pickups.



But I know he uses a Proco RAT for his sound, just a tiny bit. And that gives a nice texture to his sound in combination with a chorus. (I use a hot rod deville btw)

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:43 am
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Jah Soldier wrote:
Yea, I'm not sure where the de-laminating thing comes from either. I'd personally be happy to find out that I had a guitar put together with Titebond. I use that stuff on a daily basis. The last thing I'd worry about is that glue letting go.

I had one and it happened rather quickly. It was a nice guitar aside from that but I got rid of it soon after. I didnt start this rumor but it does happen. At least it happened to mine.


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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:56 am
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I've never had happen to any semi hollow body guitar. I saw it only one time due to a flood damage years ago. Wasn't my guitar, it was a friends Gretsch and it was down the beach. Wasn't pretty.

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Post subject: Re: searching hollow body guitar
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:11 am
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tbazzone wrote:
Jah Soldier wrote:
Yea, I'm not sure where the de-laminating thing comes from either. I'd personally be happy to find out that I had a guitar put together with Titebond. I use that stuff on a daily basis. The last thing I'd worry about is that glue letting go.

I had one and it happened rather quickly. It was a nice guitar aside from that but I got rid of it soon after. I didnt start this rumor but it does happen. At least it happened to mine.


What brand and model of guitar was it. How old was it. (This is like pulling hens teeth)

What were the circumstances that made it happen. Please don't just make a blanket statement and not add all the details.


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