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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:47 pm
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(Gilmour) certainly earned his right to call it Pink Floyd

I totally agree. Even though in my mind it is really just "solo Gilmour", there is nothing wrong with cashing in on the Floyd name. The music business is a tough one, and Gilmour is well entitled to get paid as much as he can. I am okay with it.

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... Look at ‘The Final Cut’. I love that album for what it is but at the same time, it’s a lot of Waters dribble.

I love the Final Cut. Even though it is often criticiized, I think it is a very good work. It has its flaws, but I prefer it ... (stand by for sacrilege) ... to the Wall.

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... Animals is my all time favorite from that era... actually of their whole catalog.

We are in VIOLENT agreement here. Animals is Pink Floyd's best work, in my opinion ...

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:29 am
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01GT eibach wrote:
captainc wrote:
... Look at ‘The Final Cut’. I love that album for what it is but at the same time, it’s a lot of Waters dribble.

I love the Final Cut. Even though it is often criticiized, I think it is a very good work. It has its flaws, but I prefer it ... (stand by for sacrilege) ... to the Wall.


I’m with you on this.

I used to love the wall but don’t really listen to it much anymore. My only real complaint with The Final Cut is its just a little too much Waters. Not Now John is the only song Gilmour got to sing on and I think the songwriting and arrangements on that album are awesome, I would just have liked to hear Gilmour’s voice elsewhere. His voice compliments Waters perfectly.

I honestly like Gilmour’s tone a little better on that as well. And from what I’ve read, at that point, they were not on good terms so he just showed up at the studio with a modest rig and the Assistant just set it up hastily to get it going and when they turned everything on it just sounded right so they didn’t muck with it. That album to me has some Solo moments that certainly outshine what he did on The Wall.

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:43 pm
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This is the last thing I'd want in a surprise release from Pink Floyd.


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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:37 am
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Give me some leeway here...

I like the work Gilmour has done under the "Pink Floyd" banner. Are those albums as good as the "classic" post-Barrett lineup? No, but they're a heck of a lot better than a lot of reconfigured classic rock bands' latter day output, even if they have all or most of the original lineup.

Is Waters' output better? Debatable...his chosen guitarists may or may not have been "better" than Gilmour (of course, that's very subjective and I won't wade into that particular river).

Take each album for what it is--a gift from some guys who shaped many of our musical consciousnesses. If they still have the fire and desire to lay something out there, we should at least listen to it before criticizing what it could/should/would have been.

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:06 am
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I have similar mixed feelings about the Fabulous Thunderbirds.

(Yes, I know there probably are two more different bands to compare, but hear me out)...

The first four albums by the T-Birds were not commercially successful, but most blues aficionados agree that they are amongst the finest Gulf Coast/Texas blues recordings ever made by white musicians. Over that time period, there was only one change I'm personnel--Mike Buck was replaced by Fran Cristina on the skins.

Then came "Tuff Enuff", "Hot Number" and "Powerful Stuff". More commercial. Better production. A lot more radio play, and even some MTV presence. Slightly different lineup (new bassist, but they were still truly a band, what with non-stop touring). Comparatively, though, I don't like those albums much, and it's generally agreed that these albums are lesser in "artistic" quality. They have some good moments, but I rarely listen to them straight through.

Jimmie Vaughan left to make "Family Style" with his little brother, and Kim Wilson soldiered on with 3/4 of the previous (Wilson, Cristina, Hubbard) lineup and the addition of a Duke (Robillard) and a Kid (Bangham). They made a pretty good album in the vein of the previous three (commercial, good production).

Then the band blew up--eventually, only Wilson and Cristina (drummer #2) were left, with a new crew around them...and they made the album I consider to be as good as any they ever made: 1995's "Roll of the Dice"...well, they got sevens and elevens on that roll--Kid Ramos tipped his hat to the departed-but-not-dead Mr. Vaughan as he blazed his own path, too; the new bassist harkened back to the electric stylings of Keith Ferguson, and they added the much-welcomed fingers of Gene Taylor on the keyboard...There's been a couple more lineups, and the current one with Randy Bermudes, the Moeller Brothers and Mike Keller is dang good and enthusiastic.

Would I like to see Jimmie Vaughan and Mike Buck or Fran Cristina backing Mr. Wilson again? Heck yeah! I'd like to see Mr Hubbard return, too, since the Crawling King Stud, Keith Ferguson, eventually succumbed to his addictions.

But I'll take what I can get, cuz the genius of Kim Wilson (arguably the best blues harp player ever) is good in almost any package. I can say the same thing regarding Jimmie Vaughan's solo albums and Kim Wilson's other side/solo projects as well.

Take the same approach to Mr. Gilmour's efforts with a good number of PF's members and friends, and you'll probably be pleasantly surprised at what gems pop out and sparkle.

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:33 am
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Screamin Armadillo wrote:
I like the work Gilmour has done under the "Pink Floyd" banner

I agree that the post-Waters Pink Floyd albums are not horrible, but ... But what I particularly don't like about those albums is that they sound like they are trying too hard to sound like vintage Floyd utilizing many similar sounding effects and song styles, making them very anemic IMO. To me, those albums are all done looking to the past instead of trying to do anything new. And what is frustrating to me is that Dave's solo efforts are great, and sound much more vibrant in that (for the solo albums) he has proven he is perfectly capable of really letting go of "trying" to sound like Floyd, and very able to create awesome new music. Hence, I find that his solo albums are much more listenable than the post-Waters stuff, even though they are basically both "solo Gilmour" efforts.
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Is Waters' output better?

I am not sure Waters' output could even be called "good". I love the Pros/Cons of Hitchhiking, but have not liked anything else. It just seems all he can do is find new ways to keep the The Wall money machine still going for him. And God bless him, as he certainly has.

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:57 pm
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I enjoyed “Amused To Death”. Sure it’s got a lot of Waters dribble on it but I rather liked it much more than Pros and Cons and on the humor side, it does have some funny Waters one liners which in many ways can be a thread on to itself.

Things like

“We got warehouses of butter”

And

“You don’t have to be a $@!, to disapprove of murder…”

I’m looking very forward to this record because lately I’ve been really into Gilmour’s “On and Island” tone and looking forward to see where he goes from there no matter what he calls it. I would have liked more of Rick Wright on that album so perhaps this will be what I’m missing and perhaps why he’d be putting it out under the Floyd name. If you haven’t checked out ‘On and Island’, there’s some great stuff on it. The title track and “Take a Breath” have some really great leads and “The Blue” has the best use of a Digitech Whammy I’ve ever heard.

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:13 pm
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I think the closest parallel in terms of acrimony and resentment within a band would be Deep Purple. Blackmore hated Gillan, Coverdale hated Blackmore and yet they produced incredible music both live and in the studio. Fast forward to the reformed Purple with Steve Morse, everyone gets along fine and the albums are way below average. Maybe that tension and simmering anger is what makes good music.

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:31 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
I think the closest parallel in terms of acrimony and resentment within a band would be Deep Purple. Blackmore hated Gillan, Coverdale hated Blackmore and yet they produced incredible music both live and in the studio. Fast forward to the reformed Purple with Steve Morse, everyone gets along fine and the albums are way below average. Maybe that tension and simmering anger is what makes good music.

I agree. I think that comes through best on Animals. Arguably too much by the time you get to The Final Cut.

As for tension in live performance creating great moments, I totally agree. If you listen to the live recordings of the 'In the Flesh' tour you can hear it hear it in Gilmours playing. Particularly on the Olympic Stadium show "the spitting incident". On Shine On' Gilmour goes nuts on the 3rd solo with the Rams Head. Its pretty aggressive and sounds great. From what I've read he'd about had it with Waters by that time and didn't even finish the encore. Left Snowy on stage to finish it out.

The Boston 77 recording is much better quality.

Its too bad Waters did not agree to get involved with this record. I think it would be really interesting to see what would have came of it.

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Post subject: Re: New Pink Floyd album
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:40 am
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GilgaFrank wrote:
I think the closest parallel in terms of acrimony and resentment within a band would be Deep Purple. Blackmore hated Gillan, Coverdale hated Blackmore and yet they produced incredible music both live and in the studio. Fast forward to the reformed Purple with Steve Morse, everyone gets along fine and the albums are way below average. Maybe that tension and simmering anger is what makes good music.


Yet Blackmore's Night creates albums that are way above average. There doesn't seem to be much tension and simmering anger there either.

I think it's as simple as people growing in different directions. Only when the paths intersect, do you get truly great results.


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