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Post subject: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:48 am
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What would you call this chord: C-G-F in that exact order? I know C-F-G would be a Csus4. Any suggestions? :?


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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:13 pm
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Csus13? As a traid...if the F is into the next octave relative to the root note, C?

Intervals...it's about intervals, IIRC.

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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:29 pm
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It's still a Csus4. What order the notes are played doesn't matter. F is still the IV and G is still the V.

If you say F is the root or G is the root, you can call it something else. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:04 pm
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Csus4, if you call it C13 you give the option of the player adding a 3rd, b7th, etc..
I guess you could call it C13-3-7-9-11 if you really want that F in the second octave but that's just silly. :P

Really you just stick to the simplest naming convention that communicates what you want. It doesn't really matter until you start discussing chords in a key or in a series. So if you went from F to the chord discussed, you could call it Fsus2/C to say hey, we are playing around with this F tonality. Or vise-versa for the C to Csus4 keeping the tonal center and thinking based around C. So name it based on what's important about it, and what is around it - for the benefit of the person reading it.

Edit: I have a nice naming convention work sheet that I put together a while back for my own study. I would be happy to post it or send it to you if you like. It would be like reading someone else's notes but it's laid out fairly well. Let me know if you want it.

You can also call it C5+13 to indicate the exact order and number of notes.

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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:13 pm
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C F G = C sus 4

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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:40 am
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deluxe Matt nailed it.

An easy way to think of it is, particular notes are necessary to form a particular chord, but the order in which they occur is referred to as voicing.

"C" chord C-E-G. E-G-C would be considered a different voicing of that same C chord.


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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:58 pm
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NJ_WorshipLdr wrote:
"C" chord C-E-G. E-G-C would be considered a different voicing of that same C chord.

It could be considered a C/E, but on a guitar, with the base note being on E, it is more likely going to be an Em#5.


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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:54 pm
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arth1 wrote:
NJ_WorshipLdr wrote:
"C" chord C-E-G. E-G-C would be considered a different voicing of that same C chord.

It could be considered a C/E, but on a guitar, with the base note being on E, it is more likely going to be an Em#5.


There could also be an Em7#5, uh E-G-C-*D *with the high E string tuned down a full step! :P


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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:53 am
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JimRussellMills30! wrote:
arth1 wrote:
NJ_WorshipLdr wrote:
"C" chord C-E-G. E-G-C would be considered a different voicing of that same C chord.

It could be considered a C/E, but on a guitar, with the base note being on E, it is more likely going to be an Em#5.


There could also be an Em7#5, uh E-G-C-*D *with the high E string tuned down a full step! :P


Yes, and the original chord in question could be an F2, the point was not guess the possible chord, but the fact that the order of the notes was not crucial to the naming of the chord. That was all.


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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:50 am
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NJ_WorshipLdr wrote:
Yes, and the original chord in question could be an F2, the point was not guess the possible chord, but the fact that the order of the notes was not crucial to the naming of the chord. That was all.


And it's wrong - the note base changing will typically change what a chord is named.
In the original question, the base note did not change, though, but the naming of the chord could still change based on the progression it is in.


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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:06 am
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Post subject: Re: A Question About A Chord
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:08 pm
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arth1 wrote:
NJ_WorshipLdr wrote:
Yes, and the original chord in question could be an F2, the point was not guess the possible chord, but the fact that the order of the notes was not crucial to the naming of the chord. That was all.


And it's wrong - the note base changing will typically change what a chord is named.
In the original question, the base note did not change, though, but the naming of the chord could still change based on the progression it is in.


It is not wrong! The lowest note of the chord changed, but that doesn't mean the "mode" of the chord has changed. It just means it's an inversion. When the 3rd of the chord is the lowest it's the first inversion, when the 5th is the lowest note it's second inversion.

Hence my comment was about chord voicing, where you can leave the "bass" note out altogether and allow the bass player to cover that range. And that does not change the name of the chord. Chords are not inherently defined by the lowest note but by overall modality (musical context). You can omit 3rds as well as "bass" notes and there by change the voicing.

It's all part of creating a mood and finding your space within a band setting.


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