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Post subject: Summer Namm, July!!! Question about Mustang amps????
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:55 am
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I am toying with the idea of buying a Fender Mustang IV V2, but only if they dont come out with a Fender Mustang Floor V2. Does anybody have any ideas as to what they are launching, or if they plan to launch a new FLOOR pedal? Any help would go along way to help my wallet stay proper. Cheers. :D


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Post subject: Re: Summer Namm, July!!! Question about Mustang amps????
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:44 pm
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No-one will post inside information on upcoming products here. Fender would not appreciate that.

My outsider view is that the Mustang series is likely on life support, and about to be pulled the plug on. I could be wrong, but given that FUSE hasn't seen any new development for a long time now, only bug fixes, I have doubts whether Mustang/FUSE will see anything new before replaced with something else.


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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:46 am
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arth1 wrote:
No-one will post inside information on upcoming products here. Fender would not appreciate that.

My outsider view is that the Mustang series is likely on life support, and about to be pulled the plug on. I could be wrong, but given that FUSE hasn't seen any new development for a long time now, only bug fixes, I have doubts whether Mustang/FUSE will see anything new before replaced with something else.


That must be why the local GC's and Sam Ash's are always sold out on one model or the other of the Mustangs!! :lol:

I wouldn't gauge the market success of the Mustang on updates to Fuse. Given the nature of software development I doubt seriously Fuse was developed in-house at Fender since they aren't very well equipped for software development and support, particularly FREE software.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:06 am
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I had the opportunity to try a friend's Fender Mustang IV V2 for several hours last week.

Even with my admittedly limited skill and experience, I have to say that this is the first amp I've tried - running into the dozens (I own 6) that I genuinely did not like at all !! Every other amp, despite brand, that I've played had at least some redeeming factors to it.

IMHO, the sound was inferior to even my near-20 year old SS Princeton Chorus.

I get why it's popular, Fender name, Black Tolex, low price. I'm sure many people (mistakenly) feel that this amp eleviates the need for the bulk and expense of a pedal board.

The amp models I played with fell waay short of approaching, never mind duplicating, the sounds of the classic amps.

With 100 Presets, 18 Amp Models and 37 Effects, it just struck me as Helmet Fires in a Box ! And that's without factoring in the FUSE software. Likely a major reason it's a hit with the 'More is More' crowd.

I suspect the pre-flight checklist on a 737 is less demanding than setting this thing up. I watched my friend set it up and was struck by how much he was playing the amp and not the guitar.

To those who love them... Good on Ya !! (+ it lessens Demand pressure on prices for other amps) :wink:

But for me, there are way more capable amps out there in the same price range or less.


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Post subject: Re: Summer Namm, July!!! Question about Mustang amps????
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:49 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
I get why it's popular, Fender name, Black Tolex, low price. I'm sure many people (mistakenly) feel that this amp eleviates the need for the bulk and expense of a pedal board.

Mistakenly? Depends on the user. Pedals sound like $@! with a mustang. So you really use what is on board the amp or nothing. If the built in effects are not what you need you just don't buy a mustang.

Costwise that matters. Figure $400 for a basic tube amp. My pedal board was $100+. My pedals were $26 (best ebay deal ever), $100, $65, $120, $40, $40 and $150. $1041. (And that is a pretty cheap collection of pedals.) A full mustang v kit goes for $699. Head, cab, board and expression pedal. That gives you a fully featured 150w amp that you can use (because it is a modeling amp) anywhere from your bedroom to on stage.

All that said I wouldn't give up my pedals for anything. So pedals and tubes for me.

I think it is 50-50 whether the mustang line is being orphaned or replaced. I would hope the next one is blutooth controllable from a variety of devices. If they did that they would have to kill silverlight as the base for fuse. That could take them some time. Of course they've had some time. They might be out of money so new products that cost a lot to develop might be slow to arrive.


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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:34 am
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It's been my experience that the most negative reactions on the Mustangs tend to come from people that don't understand the concept of amp sims and modeling in general, and aren't really interested in learning that new paradigm. It's definitely a different way of operating, far more akin to how it's done in studios these days with DAWs, amp sims, plug-ins, etc. than traditional live performance. For someone starting from ground zero with no experience it can be confusing and frustrating due to the range of features and how, what, and when you use them.

Once you figure it out it's pretty easy although it does require a certain amount of preparation on one's part to have things setup ahead of time for live performances. I normally have about 15 or so presets I depend on to some degree or another so I'll spend an hour or so the day before the gig or rehearsal arranging them logically. That's not something some people want to do when they've been used to simply plugging into an amp with their pedalboards. The advantage to me is the simplicity of getting a tremendously wide range of dependable and volume balanced sounds with less moving parts so there's less that can go wrong in a live performance.

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Post subject: Re: Summer Namm, July!!! Question about Mustang amps????
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:18 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
I had the opportunity to try a friend's Fender Mustang IV V2 for several hours last week.

Even with my admittedly limited skill and experience, I have to say that this is the first amp I've tried - running into the dozens (I own 6) that I genuinely did not like at all !!

The amp models I played with fell waay short of approaching, never mind duplicating, the sounds of the classic amps.


you can't judge the Mustang by the presets and a plug n play. Most of them suck. Too much gain, too many Fx thrown in - they've thrown the kitchen sink at them.

You find out how good the amp models are by turning off the extra crap and starting clean, then dialling in what you like, as you would with any other amp. You can make the amp complex by using fuse and playing with cab sizes and fine tweaks of al the stomp boxes, or you can forget all of that and use the standard panel that works like any other amp.

The feedback on many forums is that the Mustangs nail the Fender sounds modelled very closely, and do a really good job with Vox and Marshall's too.


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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:50 am
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Drubbing wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
I had the opportunity to try a friend's Fender Mustang IV V2 for several hours last week.

Even with my admittedly limited skill and experience, I have to say that this is the first amp I've tried - running into the dozens (I own 6) that I genuinely did not like at all !!

The amp models I played with fell waay short of approaching, never mind duplicating, the sounds of the classic amps.


you can't judge the Mustang by the presets and a plug n play. Most of them suck. Too much gain, too many Fx thrown in - they've thrown the kitchen sink at them.

You find out how good the amp models are by turning off the extra crap and starting clean, then dialling in what you like, as you would with any other amp. You can make the amp complex by using fuse and playing with cab sizes and fine tweaks of al the stomp boxes, or you can forget all of that and use the standard panel that works like any other amp.

The feedback on many forums is that the Mustangs nail the Fender sounds modelled very closely, and do a really good job with Vox and Marshall's too.


+1 on changing the presets, not to mention the presets react differently to different guitars.
Many of my presets are doubled up labeled with a "S" and "T" at the end to indicate Strat or Tele, it's so responsive, it needs to be tweaked to your guitar (what good amp doesn't?).

Most every person who's told me they suck (not many personally), was using the stock presets.
Is there some modeler that Lightnin MN has used before that doesn't have a learning curve? Because I've had a Line 6 POD, and two Digitech RP's and a Zoom, all were MUCH less intuitive than the MIII-V are (I don't care for the MI/II too much).
Why would you buy it if you don't want to learn to use it!

On pedals and the Mustangs: Jim_Dep over at TDPRI.com has started/contributed to some detailed threads with gigging guitarists using Mustangs, including a few who use pedals successfully with them. Stop over and search Mustang amp, III, or floor, then read up (and hear) what they're doing.

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Post subject: Re: Summer Namm, July!!! Question about Mustang amps????
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:22 pm
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I don't really "get" the statement that pedals sound like arse with Mustangs, and that it's a use what comes with it or nothing deal.

The ONLY thing you can't do with a pedal, is boost it into overdriving- there's nothing TO boost. Using a drive/dist/ etc to add flavor works great!

Too- if you want a volume boost for solos, simply run it in the loop. Or use the expression pedal as a volume pedal.

I, and many others use pedals quite frequently- both in front and in the loop. They do just what they're supposed to do: make crunchy sounds crunchier; add dirt to clean sounds; or give you a different flavor of dirt at the press of the footswitch. As long as you aren't overdriving the input, the amp doesn't care what you plug into it.

+1 for the guy adding a notation to the preset for the type of guitar. I'm often amazed at how different the same exact preset will sound, simply with a different type of guitar. Likewise, a good guitar will sound good, and a crap guitar will sound like crap. I spent an hour or two scratching my head one day, wondering why my "cleanish Bassman" preset sounded soo much dirtier than it did when I created it. It finally dawned on me that I'd created that preset using my stock CV Tele- which sounds TOTALLY different than the Schecter Solo Special I was playing that day. I plugged in the Tele- and there it was, the sound I remembered creating. Duhhh... This guitar has a humbucker and a P100 NOT two single coils.

It almost makes me wonder if sometimes people are LOOKING to be disappointed when they try one of these. If for no other reason than to validate their preferred choice of rig.


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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:43 pm
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pyroman wrote:
It almost makes me wonder if sometimes people are LOOKING to be disappointed when they try one of these. If for no other reason than to validate their preferred choice of rig.

Pretty common. But Fender can help by making their factory presets less shredtastic. Lot of older gigging players come round to these amps, yet its marketing seems rooted in the teen toy box demographic.

FWIW I got a Mustang to avoid having to buy a lot of pedals and Fx, but never really got into it as an amp of choice. Until I learnt how to play better and how to use it, which was no more a learning curve than using more conventional amps.


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Post subject: Re: Summer Namm, July!!! Question about Mustang amps????
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:23 pm
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dunedindragon wrote:
It's been my experience that the most negative reactions on the Mustangs tend to come from people that don't understand the concept of amp sims and modeling in general, and aren't really interested in learning that new paradigm. It's definitely a different way of operating, far more akin to how it's done in studios these days with DAWs, amp sims, plug-ins, etc. than traditional live performance. For someone starting from ground zero with no experience it can be confusing and frustrating due to the range of features and how, what, and when you use them.

Once you figure it out it's pretty easy although it does require a certain amount of preparation on one's part to have things setup ahead of time for live performances. I normally have about 15 or so presets I depend on to some degree or another so I'll spend an hour or so the day before the gig or rehearsal arranging them logically. That's not something some people want to do when they've been used to simply plugging into an amp with their pedalboards. The advantage to me is the simplicity of getting a tremendously wide range of dependable and volume balanced sounds with less moving parts so there's less that can go wrong in a live performance.


All I have to say is there are infinite tone possibilities from a person, to an electric guitar through any amplifier! Choose your weapons wisely! :wink:


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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:57 pm
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arth1 wrote:
My outsider view is that the Mustang series is likely on life support.....given that FUSE hasn't seen any new development for a long time now, only bug fixes, I have doubts whether Mustang/FUSE will see anything new before replaced with something else.

Fender FUSE works with the following amplifier lines:
Bronco™ 40
G-DEC® 3
Mustang™
Mustang™ (V.2)
Passport® mini
Super Champ™ X2


Wouldn't that mean all of the above products are on life support?

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strings10927 wrote:
Fender FUSE works with the following amplifier lines:
Bronco™ 40
G-DEC® 3
Mustang™
Mustang™ (V.2)
Passport® mini
Super Champ™ X2


Wouldn't that mean all of the above products are on life support?

Of course not. Some of them have already been discontinued!
The rest, my guess and opinion would be yes.


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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:19 am
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well I disagree, but even if they did discontinue all of these products (yes I know a couple have been replaced), the amps will still work, and Fender FUSE will still work. I really don't see a problem.

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:33 am
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strings10927 wrote:
well I disagree, but even if they did discontinue all of these products (yes I know a couple have been replaced), the amps will still work, and Fender FUSE will still work. I really don't see a problem.

Fender FUSE already does not work. It doesn't support high DPI displays, because the obsoleted Silverlight doesn't support DPI scaling.
At as little as 150 DPI, the stomp boxes disappear below the bottom of the window, and cannot be seen or used.

Changing the compatibility mode for an app has no effect on Silverlight apps, cause the process running isn't your app, it's Silverlight. You need to set your whole system's DPI to "smaller" or "medium" to be able to see the contents[*], and on a high DPI display, that means that pretty much everything becomes so small that it's unusable.
With common laptop displays now being 180+ DPI, this is a problem that requires a FUSE redesign, using technologies that does support scaling.

[*]: There's a hack for forcing scaling off for all Silverlight apps, but that comes with its own set of problems, like losing Aero, and text becoming too small to read and buttons too small to hit.

Then there's the whole USB 3.0 under Windows 7 streaming incompatibility debacle, but Fender is far from the only one bit by that, so I won't hold it against them. But if buying a new computer, make sure you either get one with at least one USB 2.0 port, or that it runs Windows 8, because USB 3.0 drivers under Windows 7 run in userspace, and cannot do kernel mode functions like exclusivity. For FUSE, it means you can still configure, but not stream, unless you have an USB 2.0 port or downgrade to Windows 8 where USB 3.0 drivers (less securely) run in the kernel.


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