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Post subject: Re: Is this US or Japanese? Authentic?
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:46 pm
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Actually even the authentic decals look just like that if not polyed or lacquered over very heavily. But you can tell by the way it was put on it is not right. On the old old fenders you could see the edges like that but that is certainly not an old old fender or CS. The bigger givaway is Fender would have tried a little harder to have the angle of the decal so the lettering is closer to the angle of the Fender Stratocaster decal. Although many are skewed as well I have not seen one that off before. That one was done horribly and absolutely not by Fender. But there are so many other tell tales of a cheap fake it is not even worth scrutinizing any one particular detail lol.


Haha, true that. There are many other "red-flags" about this particular guitar apart from the logo itself. IMO, the seller has no idea about what he's trying to sell.

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Post subject: Re: Is this US or Japanese? Authentic?
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:58 pm
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Could be. Sometimes the sellers do not know they have a fake. And sometimes they do and know they are scamming or trying to get rid of one that they got stuck with not knowing it was a fake until someone told them and then they try to sucker it off to someone else on craigslist. There is another post recently with a "strat" on craiglist that was even worse and the seller was asking $30,000 claiming it was an early 60s. That one didn't even have a Fender logo but "State of the Art" lol. What was this seller thinking?

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Post subject: Re: Is this US or Japanese? Authentic?
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:35 pm
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Yeah I'm no expert at identifying. Glad I came here for advice. I did find another owner who claims he has an 80s MIJ strat, he says it's "foto flame" and the wrap is peeling off. Is it really authentic? He said it's much better than American made and that MIM are garbage compared to it. He said $300 is too low so I said I might go up to $400.

Is it just me or does it NOT have a truss rod???

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:09 pm
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Truss rod adjustment should be on the butt end of the neck, by the neck pickup. Lot's of reissues of earlier Fenders. There is probably a date there also if you take the neck off.

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:36 pm
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The MIJ Strat in the pics looks like the real deal. As mentioned, the truss rod adjustment is at the body end on most 1980s MIJ Fenders. If you can live with the fake flame then that's probably a fine guitar, I just find them a bit odd when you tilt the body and expect the sheen in the wood to change with the light but instead it just stays the same.

As for the seller's "better than US Strats" claim, some MIJ guitars are easily as good as US Fenders but it's all subjective. It's even possible to make a Korean Squier sound good and play well, I'd just say buy the guitar you like if you think it's a good price.

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:16 pm
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Yeah I'm no expert at identifying. Glad I came here for advice. I did find another owner who claims he has an 80s MIJ strat, he says it's "foto flame" and the wrap is peeling off. Is it really authentic? He said it's much better than American made and that MIM are garbage compared to it. He said $300 is too low so I said I might go up to $400.

Is it just me or does it NOT have a truss rod???

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This one seems totally legit. However I think the veneer on those MIJ foto flames was over a basswood body. They were decent Strats but too say it is "much better" then an American made is not factual....and as far as calling an MIM garbage next to it is subjective. 3 to 4 hundred would be a good deal for that guitar if all original granted it might need a refin if the wrap keeps peeling or it will look like butt. You could probably peel that crap off and just paint it a solid color and have a nice older MIJ Strat for a good deal. Those older MIJ's have been asking higher and higher prices the past several years.

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:18 pm
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However I think the veneer on those MIJ foto flames was over a basswood body.


Correct.

And if Leo had thought that basswood was an acceptable timber for guitar bodies, all Strats from day one would've been made of it.

The guitar is otherwise built to the '62 standard, with the truss-rod adjustment located on the heel of the neck and the specific 11-screw pickguard common to actual '62s and re-issues of same.

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:49 pm
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ebaysux wrote:
However I think the veneer on those MIJ foto flames was over a basswood body.


Correct.

And if Leo had thought that basswood was an acceptable timber for guitar bodies, all Strats from day one would've been made of it.

The guitar is otherwise built to the '62 standard, with the truss-rod adjustment located on the heel of the neck and the specific 11-screw pickguard common to actual '62s and re-issues of same.

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I think even the routes on those are 62 "ish" S-S-S. As far as basswood from what I understand it was/is mainly used on the MIJ's because that is the kind of wood they have most readily available there so it makes economical sense. Now I have never heard anyone claim basswood was better then alder or ash. What I have heard many claim is that it is an acceptable tonewood and similar to alder tone wise but is softer so screws could tend to strip out easier vs alder or ash. There are some players out there that actually prefer basswood but most of those players do not have an exceptional tone that would justify any claims it is a better choice then alder. Another factor is the grain (or lack thereof) which with basswood would not be too effective with a transparent finish but with a solid color or veneer that is a non issue.

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:59 pm
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Basswood is used because machine tooling and cutters last longer since the wood is so much softer than ash or alder. Those who posit to the contrary are delusional.

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:25 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:51 pm
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Basswood is used because machine tooling and cutters last longer since the wood is so much softer than ash or alder. Those who posit to the contrary are delusional.

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There was no argument from me about the softness of Basswood. But is it easier to get in Japan/Asia vs. alder? And is just because a guitar is made of basswood confirm it is junk? And is it really unacceptable as a tonewood? Are you sure Leo would not have used it if he headed Fender Japan? A lot of players like EVH and Jeff Beck for example prefer basswood. James Burton has Fender use basswood on his signature Tele (MSRP: $2,399.99). Why is that?

Also I found upon some research that some tree "experts" are saying that basswood is not necessarily any softer or dents easier the alder but it depends more on the cut. However "agathis" on the other hand..that would not be a good idea to use on a Fender.

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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:19 am
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But is it easier to get in Japan/Asia vs. alder?


Who cares? I sure don't.

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And is just because a guitar is made of basswood confirm it is junk?


It's junk to me.

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And is it really unacceptable as a tonewood?


Totally. You see Gibson using it? Martin? Guild?

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Are you sure Leo would not have used it if he headed Fender Japan?


He didn't. Period.


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A lot of players like EVH and Jeff Beck for example prefer basswood. James Burton has Fender use basswood on his signature Tele (MSRP: $2,399.99). Why is that?



Who cares? I sure don't.

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Also I found upon some research that some tree "experts" are saying that basswood is not necessarily any softer or dents easier the alder but it depends more on the cut. However "agathis" on the other hand..that would not be a good idea to use on a Fender.


You can find anything you're predisposed to seek on the internet and the facts be damned. Buy agathis, buy basswood, I couldn't care less. People have been blaspheming Leo's finest development for decades with their "improvements". Aside from the five-way switch, they're mostly just exercises in urinating upwind into a hurricane.

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One of the best sounding guitars I ever owned was a 1986 E-series MIJ Squier Strat with a basswood body. Don't knock it til you've tried it.

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Retroverbial wrote:
ebaysux wrote:
But is it easier to get in Japan/Asia vs. alder?


Who cares? I sure don't.

ebaysux wrote:
And is just because a guitar is made of basswood confirm it is junk?


It's junk to me.

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And is it really unacceptable as a tonewood?


Totally. You see Gibson using it? Martin? Guild?

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Are you sure Leo would not have used it if he headed Fender Japan?


He didn't. Period.


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A lot of players like EVH and Jeff Beck for example prefer basswood. James Burton has Fender use basswood on his signature Tele (MSRP: $2,399.99). Why is that?



Who cares? I sure don't.

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Also I found upon some research that some tree "experts" are saying that basswood is not necessarily any softer or dents easier the alder but it depends more on the cut. However "agathis" on the other hand..that would not be a good idea to use on a Fender.


You can find anything you're predisposed to seek on the internet and the facts be damned. Buy agathis, buy basswood, I couldn't care less. People have been blaspheming Leo's finest development for decades with their "improvements". Aside from the five-way switch, they're mostly just exercises in urinating upwind into a hurricane.

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Well you have every right to your opinion but your argument against basswood and the reasons they use it more in Asia seems to be based solely on your personal bias and not considering any empirical facts whatsoever. We can't possibly learn and grow as a species with that kind of attitude :mrgreen: Semie Mosely founder and creater of the Mosrite guitar co. used basswood in the early 63 Ventures model Mosrites. Is there a problem with those caused by the basswood?

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When people start putting the word "experts" in quotes, that's when it's time to abandon the thread.

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