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Post subject: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:55 pm
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It seems as though I'm tired of my music outlets. Commercial free music on the T.V. doesn't really appeal to me anymore. The radio plays the hits over and over again. I don't subscribe to Serius XM Radio and I don't have Paladia on my T.V. I haven't caught on to any new music. The new medium is turntable, digital Electric Dance Music. Some of it is creative but you start listening to more and more and it leaves you to mindless sounds. Same goes for Hip-Hop, Rap. Rock is played out and anymore it's just pathetic. I'm wondering if music in general is on a downside, meaning the high point was like in the sixties, much like painting was in the Renaissance. Any thoughts? :|


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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:07 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:19 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:31 pm
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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:46 pm
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There are so many ways to get any style or era of music you could want now I just don't get your statement.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:11 am
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I find satellite radio (yes I know you mentioned it) is about the best place to get exposed to new music in various genres. Now if you listen to normal radio these days in most areas of the USA you will find both types of music are most popular now...country..... and western. And usually a close second is rap/hip hop and latin. The younger are into dub step which is really a hybrid of electronic and crap...(is crap a genre?). What is kind of happening is coffee shop unplugged type stuff, folk rock hipster stuff.

But with anything..it is subjective. Maybe what is more commercially popular is changing compared to the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s as far as rock now taking a back seat...it is far from dead. You just can't make any money if you play original rock anymore....you need to do it only for the love. But you never know what can happen. Granted FM is probably never going to be on the ball again and MTV is pretty much reality shows now...you never know if another "Nirvana" could suddenly blow up. Doubtful, but you never know. Sometimes these things go in cycles, and sometimes they fade. As a kid I thought for sure Rap was just a fad and would last a few years at best before everyone would realize it was garbage. I was way off on that prediction. Now I actually like some of it go figure.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:48 am
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Boy, did you ever hit on a hot-spot for me. My answer, in short, it's not dead...but it appears to be circling the drain.

Technology and innovations have brought some wonderful things into our lives, but for every good thing there's something in the culture that suffers. Roll the clock back 40 years and more and here's what you would find in the music industry. Most towns of any size would have at least 4 or 5 places that hired bands to play Monday through Saturday. These jobs paid well enough so that these musicians didn't have to have other jobs. In fact, this WAS their job because they would play for a week to several months at one place, then move on to their next contracted gig. Granted, your job was primarily to play covers, but some bands targeted key music industry areas such as L.A., San Fran, Memphis, Austin, Chicago, NY, etc. where they could branch out and do some of their own music and (hopefully) get signed. This was the proving grounds for young musicians. Playing covers wasn't considered a bad thing because that's how you learned how to perform and write decent music, i.e. music that was actually PRODUCED and had production values and disciplined structure and arrangement.

This worked because people in general went to bars for entertainment. There were only 3 channels on TV. There was no internet. There was no MTV. You could either go to a movie, or go to the bar for an evening of entertainment, so the bars had bands and had enough customers to justify having a band for 6 nights a week. This was the environment that cultivated such acts as The Eagles, Linda Rondstadt, ZZ Top...the list goes on and on. By the time these artists were signed, they were very well exposed to what it takes to develop their music and perform because they had PLENTY of hours doing it all over the country.

And being signed actually meant something. There were no home studios. The best a band could do for themselves is pull together the money to develop a demo they could push to record A&R personnel. When you got signed, you went to a real studio, with a real producer who could help you craft an album and your sound that distinguished you from the crowd. It also meant they would promote your air play at key radio stations, and get you on a real tour.

Compare that to what we have today, and there is your answer. What band DOESN'T have a CD? Having a record or CD no longer validates you as an artist. It means you all went to some guys house and single tracked and overdubbed the songs without anyone with any real industry knowledge teaching you what it takes to create something of substance...a PRODUCER. Having a CD doesn't mean you've paid your dues. It means, if you're lucky, you've been playing for a year or so two or three times a month in front of crowds who are so inundated with a schlock of garage bands they can no longer distinguish what is "excellence" in writing and performing. Not to mention the bars in which these bands play have unprofessional management, and unprofessional sound people who are just pushing LOUD as an alternative to PROFESSIONAL. The audience doesn't know any better. If it's loud and the band appears to be active they'll assume they are because they have nothing else of substance to compare it to.

Don't ask me how to fix this situation. I don't even know where one would begin. Of course you can't find a decent radio station to listen to. That's the thing of the past. A past in which record companies promoted well-developed bands and material, and regional hits could migrate into world-wide hits.

I honestly feel sorry for the young musicians today struggling to find a path to success, playing for nothing and trying to scrape together money from their merchandise sales. They have no real opportunities to develop as artists, and no guidance from professionals that know what they're doing and have a proven track record of success.

Welcome to the new age of music....

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:18 am
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In a nutshell, " It's music Jim, but not as we ( old gits ) know it", just as previous (I can't understand a word of it, it's too loud, get your haircut) generations used to say. I'm sure if we looked long and hard enough, we'd find everything we ever listened to and enjoyed replicated somewhere online by dudes with even stranger haircuts.


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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:15 am
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If you're going to base the state of music by what's on the radio, you're not getting any perspective except a corporate driven, demographic-based, round hole round peg stuff.

The music wasn't necessarily better in the 60s, it's just that the suits and media hadn't got as strong a hold on it as they have today. I find plenty of stuff I like from forums, online store rummaging and talking to people who listen to stuff that's not on the radio.


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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:27 am
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cvilleira wrote:
There are so many ways to get any style or era of music you could want now I just don't get your statement.


I agree. If you're in the US, Pandora is a great way to find music. Use someone you like as a seed for a station, and then "add variety" occasionally so that you don't keep hearing the same things over and over. Try variations on genre. If you like rock, try blues, where you'll find a lot of crossover appeal. I've always been a Buddy Guy fan, and now I'm loving the next generation of blues guitarists. Kenny Wayne Shephard, Johnny Lang, Doyle Bramhall, etc. And my number 1 favorite, Joe Bonamassa.

I run Pandora on my PS3 through the stereo, and my three kids have all found genres they like with the variation that provides. I had a station seeded with Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page, and from that (and my wife's pop choices), my 5 year old is a hard rock (AC/DC, black sabbath) fan, my middle son likes pop and hip hop, and my oldest is a blues rock fan like me.


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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:29 am
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I look for new music on the internet these days. I don't like a lot of the new music especially EDM and, honestly, I'm tired of the old stuff they play on the radio. Every once in a while I'll hear a great old song and wonder why I never hear it on the radio anymore.

About two years ago I got a new car that came with a free 6 mos of SiriusXM radio. Even with a couple hundred channels, I listened regularly to just 5 or 6 and mostly one in particular -- SiriusXMU. They played a lot of Alt Rock and indie stuff, but I was disappointed to discover that they use a "heavy rotation" playlist, also. It seemed like every time I tuned in, I was hearing the same songs. Pandora isn't bad, but I find I need to make "course corrections" sometimes as the music choices veer away from what I'm looking for.


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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:14 am
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The state of music is fine. The state of music you like may not be though.

I try to enjoy and expand the genres I listen to, but let's face it, nobody likes everything. Wanna torture me? Put on Country music. But there is money in it.

A lot of people might not know this, but there are DJs here in Vegas making $300,000 a night. That's not a typo. You couldn't drag me into one of those clubs. But it is highly popular and brings in SERIOUS cash.

When I joined a Reggae band, I knew it wasn't a big market. I just like Reggae music as much as I do Rock. I don't find it too hard to find music I like. I've been listening to Polish and Russian music lately. I can't understand the words, but I like to hear the music and what's going on. I'm also fascinated by the language and they're use of vowels and consonants in the vocals. The polish language would be extremely hard for an American to sing. So I admire what's going on.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:41 am
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1) iTunes -- I have a fairly extensive iTunes library, and I will just listen to my library in iTunes by listening to entire album, then a different one, then a different one. This is pretty much the same way we listened to music in "the old days". And I really like the context of an entire album -- not a random mixture of stuff. Adding music to my library is cheap ($1.60 per album or so, if you know where to buy it) so I am always adding older albums or newer stuff. It is cheap, and I get exactly what I want.

2) Satellite -- My wife lives by satellite radio. For me, I can not listen to just one station. However, the "deep tracks" and "steven's underground garage" stations are particularly cool as I definitely hear stuff WAY OFF the beaten path. And when they play something I don't want to hear, I'll typically jump to one of the more-ordinary stations: classic rock, "ozzy's boneyard", 80s new wave, or grunge. And also the "all Elvis" and "BB King Blues" stations are cool, too.

3) Internet radio -- I don't like Pandora. Even with the corrections, they are not playing the right stuff for me. However, I can listen to RushRadio.net for days on end. They have two choices: "all Rush" and "a mix of Rush and other stuff". I prefer "all Rush". I can listen for DAYS on end and never be bored. Yes, I am a huge fan of them.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:06 pm
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yes, the state of U.S. music is worse than a bucket of poo. music from europe may have a bit more to offer. i'm not going to get into specific bands, but give it a listen. i've heard a lot of blues rock that was refreshing and good and some rock that kicks our butts. new tech and recording techniques have changed music but there is always the past and guys like Jimi, Eric, B.B.,Rory and others have gone (oviously not eric andb.b. but they are done) but we as any type musicians have to take the music with us from where we find it and pass it on. don't like the music, change it.


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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music Part II
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:25 pm
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Drubbing wrote:
If you're going to base the state of music by what's on the radio, you're not getting any perspective except a corporate driven, demographic-based, round hole round peg stuff.

The music wasn't necessarily better in the 60s, it's just that the suits and media hadn't got as strong a hold on it as they have today. I find plenty of stuff I like from forums, online store rummaging and talking to people who listen to stuff that's not on the radio.


Totally agree. Radio only lets us know the state of the "industry" and a demographic, not the state of music. I don't even listen to radio anymore unless it is satellite where I can chose the content...granted you have to pay a monthly fee (unless you have a lifetime sub on a unit you got for free 8) ), it is essentially "commercial free". I know sat radio is only in the USA and parts of Canada so not everyone will get it in their car but I do get to hear so much content that I would have normally never been exposed to that I kind of swear by it.

I do remember the day where radio was very important (or goal was always radio play, radio play) but essentially like with MTV anything the industry shoved down the peoples throats on rotation would sell. Nowdays radio play is for the Milley Cirus'es and the like and real bands are going for internet hits and need to sell merch to makes ends meet. Back then if you had a hit on the radio people went right out and purchased the album...even wait in line for it, and then go to the concerts. Those days are over and even the most popular rock bands of new have to do shows with 5 other bands.

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