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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:08 pm
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arth1 wrote:
I've been thinking of getting the Earthquaker Devices "Organizer". It sounds rather warm and analog, which I like.

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It's also "standard" pedal size, and not too expensive. What I don't like is that the input/output are at the top, which makes it harder to pedalboard it (straps holding the pedal down by the plugs won't work).


Earthquaker, always seems to have pedals that are too "gimmicky" for my taste. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:14 pm
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Cool pedal Derek, the demo sounds fantastic, on my must have list.


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:34 pm
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Klowenst wrote:
Now that is an impressive demo! Thanks for sharing



Well it can't do everything, like mimic a dampened piano! I'm still waiting for a microphone/pickup system/amplifier for regular piano/harpsichord that would add overdrive, fuzz, reverb, chorus, delay, flange, etc. etc. or a mixture of chorus and reverb. Of course you would have to sustain the notes/chord. I would think delay, would be interesting to hear from a piano or maybe a volume swell. Why don't they have a keyboard that can mimic an electric guitar with an effect or two, or why isn't there a keyboard that can mimic steel drums or another specific drum? On another note, it would also be highly useful if there was a piano that could isolate some keys to be dampened. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:54 pm
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JimRussellMills30! wrote:
Klowenst wrote:
Now that is an impressive demo! Thanks for sharing



Well it can't do everything, like mimic a dampened piano! I'm still waiting for a microphone/pickup system/amplifier for regular piano/harpsichord that would add overdrive, fuzz, reverb, chorus, delay, flange, etc. etc. or a mixture of chorus and reverb. Of course you would have to sustain the notes/chord. I would think delay, would be interesting to hear from a piano or maybe a volume swell. Why don't they have a keyboard that can mimic an electric guitar with an effect or two, or why isn't there a keyboard that can mimic steel drums or another specific drum? On another note, it would also be highly useful if there was a piano that could isolate some keys to be dampened. :wink:

It doesn't claim or even try to do "damped piano".

You're criticizing a turnip for not being a beet.

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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:14 pm
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Jim, I'm not sure how much you know about keyboards, so please don't take this the wrong way. But modern keyboards are pretty badass these days. My Yamaha is an older model and it has a whole Udu kit, Djembe kit, Tabla, Dhol, Talk Drum, etc.. It's a pretty vast library, and individual effects can be added to each sound. I can't imagine how great the newer Yamaha Motifs are. Too expensive for my needs.

I had a Roland Fantom for about 2-weeks and took it back. The sounds of my Yamaha are a ton better.

The thing with guitar sounds though. It's tough to get the subtleties of real guitar playing to interpret to key strokes. It's like an electric guitar with a heavy gate on it. The acoustic guitar is easier to manage. But electrics are very hard to sample and key stroke and sound natural.

Much in the same way as it's hard to do true organ or keys on a guitar. So in that respect, they both have their boundaries and always will. But one thing I can guarantee you, is that whatever instrument you can think of can be found on a keyboard. Whether it translates to keystrokes or not for a natural vibe of the instrument will always be a quest that synth makers will strive for. Even if the samples are top notch, best in the world samples, there always seems to be a true human element missing somewhere in Strings, Drums, Horns, basically anything that didn't start out as a piano, digital, or synth based.

I still want this pedal. I dig it.

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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:14 pm
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I have 3 Yamaha keyboards,a PSR-38 which back in the early '90s was really state of the art with MIDI and was widely touted as having the most convincing grand piano voicing at the time-with a $900 list price it should have.I also have an Yamaha NP-20 electric piano that has several fabulous piano voices as well as harpsichord and a setting that sounds like the DX-7's most used tone. Rounding off my Yamaha keys is my CS-01 mini synthesizer that although being analogue and tiny,can emulate the most desirable tones of an ARP Odyssey or Moog.

I can certainly vouch for what Jah Soldier says about Yamaha keyboards,they out perform a lot of the other keyboards in their price range,as well as a good few above their prices.With regard to the B-9,E-H makes no claims that it can or will ever replace any keyboards or a guitarist with one would replace a keys player-even though I did say that facetiously-what the pedal does is give a guitarist the ability to do the best job of mimicking an organ that is available today,which opens up the possibility to enhance the overall instrumentation of a band by adding another instrument without having to buy or lug around a B-3,M-3 etc. or hire another member. Some people have tried to denounce the B-9 by criticizing it for not having the tonal and voicing capabilities of an authentic B-3,that isn't what E-H was setting out to do,they just wanted guitarists to be able to avail of a really good representation of the most popular voices of a B-3.It would be ridiculous to expect such a unit to be able to emulate a large number of the effects that are achieved by using the bank of drawbars on a B-3 with just 4 controls to dial in your sounds with.Given the price point of this unit being under $300,the sounds that it can create and emulate and the functions it is capable of,it is truly an incredible step in E-H's technological advancements and no doubt this achievement will make other effects manufacturers sit up and take notice and see E-H as being serious competition.

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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:39 am
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Sweetwater has them for $220.30 . . . but as usual, they aren't in stock yet and that usually means a waiting list.


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:23 am
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JimRussellMills30! wrote:
Earthquaker, always seems to have pedals that are too "gimmicky" for my taste. :roll:


Less so than ElectroHarmonix, I'd say. Earthquaker tends to use more analog circuitry, and well-recognized parts.

Anyhow, back to the topic of organ pedals, there's also the Leslie one. And the Hughes & Kettner Rotosphere.
But both of these are more to give the roto sound of the B3, not necessarily the sustained multi-octave organ sound.
With only six strings, there's to my knowledge only one way to play a two-octave full major, and obviously no way to play both an upper and a lower octave, like the signature organ chord sound. That's where something like the Organizer comes in handy.


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:01 pm
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check out the fishman triple play midi device...

saw it at sweetwater gearfest. pretty amazing sound from that unit.


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:07 pm
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phreddybee wrote:
check out the fishman triple play midi device...

saw it at sweetwater gearfest. pretty amazing sound from that unit.


In itself, it produces no sound. Your midi synth or daw can play whatever sounds you like, regardless of whether the controller is a guitar or a keyboard or a program.
Anyhow, using a guitar as a midi controller is a bit like eating hamburgers with a spoon.


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:53 pm
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Jah Soldier wrote:
Technically, I don't think it replaces a keyboard or good key player.

It'll have a sweet niche though. I played in a few bands where we only played a couple of songs that had keyboard parts, so we didn't have keys player, but one of the guitar players would play some of the organ lines, either on guitar, or sometimes on a cheap keyboard I had for a while. This pedal will let you get a lot closer to the sound you want without having to lug along a keyboard, or add a band member.
It won't replace a full time keyboard player in a band setting, but a keyboardless band can make due in a pinch if they want to add a sound to their repertoire.

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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:07 pm
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I was in a couple of bands that, when a keyboard player was needed, they turned to me playing harmonica through a Leslie effect; sometimes I used the "Rotary" setting on a Line 6 POD, sometimes I used the Boss RT20, and on a couple of occasions a nearly-dimed-out MXR Phase 90 was used...

None were perfect, but each time it got the approximate "atmosphere" of a B-3 playing long, drawn-out rhythms and chords behind the guitarist (who was SRV-ing it up over the musical "bed" I had created).

Would a real Hammond B-3 with a great keyboardist sounded better?
Of course!
But in a pinch, and without further diluting the meager pay we were receiving, we made do with a pretty cool little trick that nobody griped about.

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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:45 pm
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JimRussellMills30! wrote:
Klowenst wrote:
Now that is an impressive demo! Thanks for sharing



Well it can't do everything, like mimic a dampened piano! I'm still waiting for a microphone/pickup system/amplifier for regular piano/harpsichord that would add overdrive, fuzz, reverb, chorus, delay, flange, etc. etc. or a mixture of chorus and reverb. Of course you would have to sustain the notes/chord. I would think delay, would be interesting to hear from a piano or maybe a volume swell. Why don't they have a keyboard that can mimic an electric guitar with an effect or two, or why isn't there a keyboard that can mimic steel drums or another specific drum? On another note, it would also be highly useful if there was a piano that could isolate some keys to be dampened. :wink:

It doesn't claim or even try to do "damped piano".

You're criticizing a turnip for not being a beet.


My post was genuinely to denounce cookie-cutter effect pedals that mimic one-of-a-kind instruments, that's my disclaimer and I'm sticking to it! :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:39 pm
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This pedal is COOL, it just made my want list 8)

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Post subject: Re: Unbelieveable new pedal for guitarists.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:39 pm
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I don't think it makes a lot of sense for me to get one, but that doesn't mean I don't want one.

I'll be on the lookout for sales and if I can find one used eventually.

Then I'll play a bunch of Deep Purple.

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