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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:10 pm
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if what is really being asked is "how can we improve the American Design Experience", I want more colors to choose from.

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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:44 pm
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ADRay wrote:
if what is really being asked is "how can we improve the American Design Experience", I want more colors to choose from.



If that's the case then Nitro finishes, more colors, vintage cloth wiring harnesses for the "vintage style" models, and the kind of selection in Bass pick ups that the guitarists get. (ie: Custom Shop pick ups like the CS 59, 62, 57 Precision)

I still want a Single Coil Precision. Whether in the ADE or in the actual American Vintage line.

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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:18 pm
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The American Design Experience doesn't have the options you'd expect from the more expensive Custom Shop route. But an expansion of the already existing inventory (more colours, wider choice of pickups, etc) sounds interesting IMO.


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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:56 am
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The American Design Experience doesn't have the options you'd expect from the more expensive Custom Shop route. But an expansion of the already existing inventory (more colours, wider choice of pickups, etc) sounds interesting IMO.



The CS 59 Precision Bass Pick Up is a regular production run pick up, as were the 62 and 57 until the switch to the 58 and 63 and they are still in use over at the CS. The 59 is put in the Mike Dirnt Signature model, and it's been used in multiple FSRs. The guitars get all sorts of crazy special pick ups. Custom Shop offerings, Texas Specials, Twisted Teles, ect. The P bass gets the two vintage models and the current American Standard. If they can do it for the guitars they can do it for the basses with no problems. Everytime someone asks for something you act like they are asking for a custom shop bass. They aren't. Nitro finish is done on production run models. In all sorts of custom colors. There are very few people here asking for custom routing, or switching. Simply people asking for more production options to be included, and in my case for the "vintage style" instruments to actually be vintage style instruments. Not something you can put together from an ebay parts graveyard with low end American Special and Standard bodies and guts and an upgraded pick up and neck. A custom shop instrument is an entirely different animal and the choices you get are vastly more robust. You get to pick you neck, it's profile, radius, frets, wether it's bound, inlays, sidemarkers, ect, ect. If you think this is any danger to the custom shop you're not realizing that all the parts used in the ADE are parts that would exist anyhow because they are regularly stocked on the floor. The Custom Shop builds what you want from scratch to your specs. Not cobbles parts together that normally wouldn't go together on a factory line.

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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:25 pm
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I'd like one of these!
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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:08 am
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ADRay wrote:
if what is really being asked is "how can we improve the American Design Experience", I want more colors to choose from.


That's not what's being asked, please let's not derail his thread.

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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:49 am
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My dream Strat consists of:

Natural Ash body (nitro clear) with a lovely grain
22 fret maple neck (modern C profile) with a rosewood board (9.5" radius) and a 60's style headstock
Schaller locking tuners
2 point floating trem with block saddles
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3 ply guard (colour undecided)
Schaller strap locks

All locked away tidily in a tweed case.

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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:30 am
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That would be a Masterbuilt relic Black 72 Telecaster Custon.

With a propoer wide range neck pickup, a modrern C neck and 6150 fret wire.


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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:54 am
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the sordid sentinel wrote:
That would be a Masterbuilt relic Black 72 Telecaster Custom.

With a proper wide range neck pickup, a modern C neck and 6150 fret wire.


We are discussing about the ADE, don't derail this thread please. If you want a Masterbuilt guitar, start a new thread in the "Let's Talk Custom Shop" section of the forum. :twisted:


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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:25 am
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Chromeface please go back and read the original post

"But let's talk about that one guitar...the guitar you aspire to own. Maybe it's some souped up, hot-rodded product of your wildest imagination. Or maybe it's the go-to Fender tone machine played by one of your favorite artists. Whatever your fantasy instrument may be, it's no secret that every player has one. And making it a reality is often a symbol that you've reached the upper echelon of guitar greatness."

And for me its a 72 Tele without a fat U neck.


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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:07 am
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I know what you mean but you've had mention of a Masterbuilt '72 Custom. Masterbuilt instruments are available from the CS, not from the ADE.

In a few words you want the '72 Custom to be included as a part of the ADE with the ability to chose a different neck profile than the fat U backshape and an original CuNiFe Wide Range humbucking pickup.

Regarding your request for the "proper" Wide Range. Fender will have some difficulties to make those as the 70's originals were made from CuNiFe, which is hard to find nowadays.

The Telenator Wide Ranges are the closest pickups you might expect from an authentic Fender CuNiFe humbucker.


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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:30 pm
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I think the Vintage Hot Rods are pretty much the perfect guitars. They're a great combination of what was good from vintage Strats and whats good from now. I Really wish they'd come in more finish options though, for both maple and RW boards.
It would be really cool to see one of the rosewood ones in Shell pink, fiesta red, lake placed blue, etc……That would pretty much be the perfect guitar for me; I'm not sure why they're not more popular.


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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:14 am
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FunkyMonk13 wrote:
I think the Vintage Hot Rods are pretty much the perfect guitars. They're a great combination of what was good from vintage Strats and whats good from now. I Really wish they'd come in more finish options though, for both maple and RW boards.
It would be really cool to see one of the rosewood ones in Shell pink, fiesta red, lake placed blue, etc……That would pretty much be the perfect guitar for me; I'm not sure why they're not more popular.



Price, and the market they appeal to in my opinion. As the more expensive part of the American Vintage line they generally lack one thing. Vintage specs. So, while I wholeheartedly agree that they are killer instruments and of the highest quality. The reality is that when I buy an American Vintage instrument I want a Fender that actually plays, sounds, looks and feels like an old school Fender. Basically the Vintage Hot Rod line is to the American Vintage what the Deluxe line is to the American Standard. The reality is that a lot of players who like the things that get done to these instruments might just rather save a few hundred dollars and get themselves all those bells and whistles on an American Deluxe. Or conversely. Someone like me might look at these and think they just spoiled what was a completely good instrument by messing with the neck profile or the bridge. (why fix what wasn't broken?).

So I think the market for these instruments is very, very small and the people who play them are usually very picky about what they play, I'd think. (ie: If you're picky enough to care about vintage pick ups, wiring harnesses and finishes. You're picky enough to worry about fret size, radius, neck shape and nut width) So the likelihood is that those people might be waiting for something that's right up their alley enough to take the plunge.

Honestly, in a production run instrument these things are about as close to the Custom Shop as you can get. All the quality of the American Vintage appointments with the high end bells and whistles. However, the people who would both appreciate them, and can likely afford them is probably a fairly small list.

As a bassist I'd just love to see the American Vintage basses get expanded. The fact that we can get a Vintage Hot Rod Split Coil with a J pup in the bridge, and a compound radius neck, but we can't get a Single Coil Precision Reissue in the American Vintage line is kind of crap, imo. They should be doing it just like the are with the Split Coils. The AV line has the 58 and 63 models now, and the Custom Shop is now making the 57 and 62. (that used to be available in the American Vintage Line) Why not have an American Vintage 51 Precision Bass and Keep the 55 in the Custom shop and then flip flop them in 5 to 10 years? Also, a Reissue of the old 70's Telecaster Bass II with a 74 Jazz bass pup in the bridge and the Fender Bucker in the neck would be a perfect addition to the Vintage Hot Rod line. Maybe one with a black bound and blocked neck and high mass bridge?

It seems Fender has been increasing the options and amount of low end product steadily and not paying as much attention to the products that should be their flagships. At least that's how it looks to me.

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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:03 pm
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Hard tail strat
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body color matched large headstock.
Compound radius.
Built in n'tune type tuner system.
On board chorus, delay, distortion.
(Push pull pots for tuner and fx.)
Under a grand.
I'd buy 2 of them tomorrow and sell 8 of my 10 others.


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Post subject: Re: The Fender Guitar of Your Dreams
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:25 am
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Make a HSH Strat/SG Deluxe with two S1 switches to turn the inner coils on/off separately. This would give you a strat with the SG option! Will they build one first or will I?

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