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Post subject: Re: Soooo apparently this happened...
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:59 pm
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Justifiably goring someone's sacred ox is of no import to me.

If the result is better-made gear for musicians of every caliber, such criticism can only be regarded as constructive.

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Something is wrong here. Arjay and I agree on something.

What sales Fender may lose because people won't buy replacements for equipment that doesn't break down, they'll gain by the reputation of being solid to the core. I've heard more than once people say things like "No, I won't buy modern Fender, because of quality issues". That's a shame.
It's fully possible to make new products with old quality. The profit per sale may be less, but if it improves the brand perception and leads to more sales, that's a plus, long term.


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Post subject: Re: Soooo apparently this happened...
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:02 pm
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What cracks me up is going to a venue and seeing someone with a pedalboard hooked up to a Mustang amp.

Perhaps this will put things in perspective:

At the time that I purchased a Mustang amp, my budget was $0, plus some gift certificates and gift cards that I had been saving which added up to pretty much $350 on the nose.

Can anyone tell me how my $350 would have been spent better on an amp, taking into consideration that since the purchase I have played outdoor gigs (un mic'd) and at least one fairly large venue where the sound people opted not to mic the amps? Which $350 tube amp would have gotten the job done?



Either a used Hot Rod Deluxe, or a used Blues or Pro Junior can likely be had around that price point. Both would do the job with ease. However, that requires patience when waiting for a deal. Plus, The older HR Deluxes had some issues here and there unlike the new models. In the end, if or when you're ready to upgrade you should know what you do and don't dig thanks to the Mustang's modelling features.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:15 pm
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Strings10927 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how my $350 would have been spent better on an amp, taking into consideration that since the purchase I have played outdoor gigs (un mic'd) and at least one fairly large venue where the sound people opted not to mic the amps? Which $350 tube amp would have gotten the job done?

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Either a used Hot Rod Deluxe, or a used Blues or Pro Junior can likely be had around that price point....

Thanks for the suggestions KOP. I can't imagine the 15 watt juniors would get the job done, outdoors and without a mic? Picture playing at a car show ....

I put a lot of thought into the HRD, but I was a little worried it would not have enough clean headroom when turned up loud. And as you mentioned, I heard those early HRD's can be a little 'problematic'. I ended up passing on it based on those reasons. I can't afford a 'problematic' amp.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:16 pm
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If he's not mic'd, a Pro Jr won't cut it outside. A forty or fifty watt tube amp will blow a 100 watt SS amp right off the stage. All you need a closed back extension cab. A Peavey Delta or Classic 30 would work just fine.
Strings, I don't care what you play out of as long as you're happy. I would actually go with a Marshall or Peavey SS amp before a Fender.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:24 pm
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63supro wrote:
A Peavey Delta or Classic 30 would work just fine.

I'm sure it would, but unfortunately it won't work fine for my ($350) budget. :cry:

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Peavey Delta Blues
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That's why everyone should be careful about laughing at other people's gear. Sometimes they aren't stupid and uninformed. Sometimes they just can't afford anything better.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:37 pm
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Can anyone tell me how my $350 would have been spent better on an amp, taking into consideration that since the purchase I have played outdoor gigs (un mic'd) and at least one fairly large venue where the sound people opted not to mic the amps? Which $350 tube amp would have gotten the job done?

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Either a used Hot Rod Deluxe, or a used Blues or Pro Junior can likely be had around that price point....

Thanks for the suggestions KOP. I can't imagine the 15 watt juniors would get the job done, outdoors and without a mic? Picture playing at a car show ....

I put a lot of thought into the HRD, but I was a little worried it would not have enough clean headroom when turned up loud. And as you mentioned, I heard those early HRD's can be a little 'problematic'. I ended up passing on it based on those reasons. I can't afford a 'problematic' amp.



15 tube watts when pushed will keep up with a 100 watt SS. Though your tone will be really dirty due to break up. The amount air you are moving is neglible between the 10 and 12" speaker outside and the Blues JR has a better speaker anyhow. The HRD would destroy the Mustang as was said. 40 tube watts is much louder than 100 solid state. (remember wattage is advertised as so much percentage of break up) Meaning that the percentage where break up will sound good. SS break up is bad break up. Tube break up is good break up. So while you're getting 40 watts. They 40 Watts they are advertising is the percentage of break up. Nevermind that well into that factor the tube amp will continue to sound great, much louder and even shine. Where as the SS will sound horrible.

I've heard good things about the new HRD IIIs. Take that for what it's worth. I have to be honest I've played in a band with a guy who used both the Mustang III and the Blues Junior. If your Mustang cut it out doors, then the Jr could. Easily. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves. The only edge the Mustang gives you is clean headroom. There is no way a Mustang pushes enough air for an outdoor gig unmic'd and a Blues Jr. can't.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:45 pm
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63supro wrote:
If he's not mic'd, a Pro Jr won't cut it outside. A forty or fifty watt tube amp will blow a 100 watt SS amp right off the stage. All you need a closed back extension cab. A Peavey Delta or Classic 30 would work just fine.
Strings, I don't care what you play out of as long as you're happy. I would actually go with a Marshall or Peavey SS amp before a Fender.



He's playing a single speaker 100 watt Solid State. There's no way that's cutting it if a Blues Jr. can't.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:49 pm
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TheKingofPain wrote:
He's playing a single speaker 100 watt Solid State. There's no way that's cutting it if a Blues Jr. can't.

....and yet it does (and did). Gofigure. 100 SS Watts is nothing to sneeze at. :wink:

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:53 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
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He's playing a single speaker 100 watt Solid State. There's no way that's cutting it if a Blues Jr. can't.

....and yet it does (and did). Gofigure. 100 SS Watts is nothing to sneeze at. :wink:



Then what I'm telling you is that the Blues Jr would have done it. Believe me. As I said, the guitarist in my band just transitioned from one to the other and the Blues Jr. is substantially louder. Easily able to keep up with my full stack which is Mustang could not hope to do. I've played in multiple gig situations side by side with both amps. The 15 Watt Blues Jr. is a louder amp.

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Post subject: Re: Soooo apparently this happened...
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:18 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
63supro wrote:
A Peavey Delta or Classic 30 would work just fine.

I'm sure it would, but unfortunately it won't work fine for my ($350) budget. :cry:

Peavey Classic 30
$649.99 (+ extension cabinet)

Peavey Delta Blues
$749.99 (+ extension cabinet)

That's why everyone should be careful about laughing at other people's gear. Sometimes they aren't stupid and uninformed. Sometimes they just can't afford anything better.


Sorry, I was talking used. you can get a clean Classic 30 for $300 all day long in my area. Sometimes less if it's a little beat up.

I wasn't laughing at anything. I don't care what you play or what you sound like. In 1966 I played out of a Danelectro DM10. I was 11 years old. When my parents saw how serious I was about it, they bought me a Silvertone SS amp. It went up in smoke in a half hour. It went back to Sears and Roebuck and we came home with a brand new Vibrolux Reverb from a local Mom and Pop shop. The kind of music store that knew about the gear they sold and stood behing customer service. Way back when everyone was playing out of huge Fender Dual Showman and Ampeg SVT's I had my Vibrolux. My Dad worked really hard for that amp and he was a blue collar worker. We lived in a row house in Philadelphia Pa. The point I'm getting at is that Vibrolux was considered a toy to the guys with the big loud amps. I was 11 years old jamming with thirty and forty year old blues guys with an amp I couldn't even lift.

Nobody was laughing at you. Most people talk about gear not the person using it. It's an amp. If you think this is bad. I owned a HRDlx in 2005. That was considered the biggest POS around. A lot of us had them. These are all opinions. Don't get your feelings hurt over comments about them. For me, USB ports don't belong in a guitar amp. That's just my opinion. If it works for you, it's all cool and all that counts.

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...and I wasn't insulting anyone's choices, either--I was just comparing an amp that has served me well (63RI VV) to a range of amps available today, and I find most of the new ones lacking.

If all my budget allowed was a small modeling amp, I would make do. I currently own (and use) two solid state amps--a 1970's Gibson G20 and a Pignose. While I like each of them, they don't compare to my 63RI VV.

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I love my Pignose! Mine is one of the originals. I bought it around 1973 and it still works. Talk about reliable! I still wouldn't gig with it.

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As a musician from the early 60s, albeit amateur, I know what fantastic sounds and characteristics played out. Fender, Ampeg, Traynor, Kustom, Vox, Marshall, and a slew of others, along with the usual guitars of that era crossed my path either directly or indirectly.

Here's my opinion on retro/vintage equipment. I love it. If I was able to get or afford the original gear in great condition, that would be my first choice, having a copy from the original manufacturer would be my second choice but, I may and did opt for a new modern design to suit my needs.

The problem with the first option is that old equipment is old. I love '55 - '58 Chevies, but neither can I afford a great conditioned one nor am I prepared to keep it going. Guitars aside, the same holds true for amps unless I decide to be a collector.

As for vintage, some of the amps and guitars that are considered vintage could be taken as somewhat more modern when starting off from the 50s and early 60s.

I can enjoy most genres with everything thrown at me from the heaviest distortion to the cleanest classics. However, for me, much of this is not in my camp of desirable gear since I do not play it.

I guess my point is that what works for one doesn't work for others, whether it's based on budget, needs, or desire. In my case, as I know with others, there comes a time in one's life when, perhaps, dealing with the weight and repairs along with cost becomes restrictive. For those who already have vintage gear in their possession, adding modern gear is a plus.

So IMO it must be said that it would be hard to argue great hit songs have been made with older designs and will likely continue in one form or another. Also many purists will be found listening to iPods and EarPods rather than vintage stereo gear. Personally, I believe that everyone on this vintage train should be served, but, I don't know if we need all of it available if quality is to be compromised. I can rent a tube amp if and when I need it (I should have some rental money left over from my savings, except I spent my amp savings on a better guitar) 8)

As for Fender's choice in this matter, I'm sure there will always be some blend of old and new.


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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:32 pm
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TheKingofPain wrote:
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He's playing a single speaker 100 watt Solid State. There's no way that's cutting it if a Blues Jr. can't.

....and yet it does (and did). Gofigure. 100 SS Watts is nothing to sneeze at. :wink:


My Blackheart amp cranks out 15 watts with both power tubes kicked in or 7 watts if I switch one off. Even at 7 watts it can keep up with my 100 watt modeling amp and cost me less than $250 out of the box. Think the head with 4X10 cabinet was still under $350. I went with the Blackheart because in my opinion the ability to switch off one of the power tubes made it sounded better at low volume than the Blues Jr I was planning to get but overall the the Jr was louder. If a Blues Jr isn't powerful enough for a particular venue, I don't see how a 100 watt SS amp would possibly get the job done.

Then what I'm telling you is that the Blues Jr would have done it. Believe me. As I said, the guitarist in my band just transitioned from one to the other and the Blues Jr. is substantially louder. Easily able to keep up with my full stack which is Mustang could not hope to do. I've played in multiple gig situations side by side with both amps. The 15 Watt Blues Jr. is a louder amp.


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here's a perspective from someone who first started playing in 1960...

over the years I have played thru many amps, but mostly 1 guitar-a strat. my 1st amp was a princeton brownface. when I started gigging on a regular basis, my dad got me one of those 2x12 Baldwin "supersound" amps. I believe it was around 40 watts solid state, and did a decent job since I played mostly clean sounds. my teacher said that it would be reliable, and I had it over 25 years with no problems.

over the years I have either played thru or owned many different amps-both tube and solid state, including traynor, peavey, fender, carvin and more. my current amp is a mustang 3 v2. why you ask?

at age 61, it gets harder for me to lift heavy items. I don't gig as much as I used to, so I decided to simplify things. I think it is a big improvement over the v1 series I tried, and does exactly what I need. does it sound as good as an old fender tube amp? no, but it fits my needs.

my point is, I guess, that I hope fender keeps making great tube amps, as well as innovate products in the future. there is no 1 type of amp for everybody, so just pick what is right for your playing and budget, and just go out and make some music


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