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Post subject: Soooo apparently this happened...
Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 11:37 am
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6099434/bono-the-edge-join-fenders-board-of-directors?sf26722690=1


"Bono, The Edge Join Fender’s Board of Directors"


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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:01 pm
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:10 pm
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I always thought 'The Edge' leaned more in the "Gibsiphone' direction, although he is certainly know to play Fender guitars too.

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Post subject: Re: Soooo apparently this happened...
Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:21 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
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Bono


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Agreed, and don't get me wrong. I like U2, and the Edge. However, I really don't want to have to listen to sanctimonious speeches from Bono at every Fender event from here on out.

Also, what I find really troubling along with Robacks appointment, and the questions that have been lobbed about at the top of the forum. All this points to Fender basically trying to become Line 6. The push to digital, neck profile questions, "vintage" models put out with modern neck radius'. Fender is the standard, and has been for a loooooonnnggg time. Modern radius', jumbo frets, digital effects? Keep it.

If that's where Fender is headed I'm out. Leave that garbage to the knock offs. What makes me a loyal Fender customer is I can still get a P bass with vintage specs. Take that away? I'm gone. Hell, I just put the covers and mute on my bass last night.

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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:42 pm
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Opps! I didn't realize you had already posted the news. I know you're a bassplayer and not a newspaperman, but headlines dude, headlines! :lol:

And yes, I think this is very good news indeed. It shows that FMIC is truely forward thinking and totally connected to the music scene as a whole. You have to actively create your future, and FMIC is doing just that.

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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:49 pm
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Fair enough. It's all good. Maybe one of the mods can just merge them under your thread?

I don't know. I think if you're rushing headlong into the future without realizing what from your past got you there then you're doomed to pull a CBS. As far as what the "scene" wants? I don't know. I see a lot of guys out there playing the reissues and tube amps and vintage gear. Seems the youngsters like the new toys, but somewhere along the line they eventually come back to what sounds best. Which to be honest, is still vintage Fender. If Fender is interested in schlocking entry level instruments to kids and hobbyists then sure. However, I don't consider "macbook pro" an instrument. Some do. In the end, I won't be around forever. At this rate Fender might not be, either.

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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:59 pm
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Most of all Fender gear lasts a long time, I know because my Fender gear is old lol. I was born the same year that the 1st Precision Bass Guitar was brought to the market, that is 1951. FMIC is mostly young people now and young people make mistakes, you have to do that when you are young, that is how you learn. Hang on to your old Fender gear, keep your eyes and ears open for deals on used Fender gear, pray that the new guard doesn't ruin Leo's legacy, happy trails to you all. :D

I'm editing this post because our new board members should have a clear shot at the big time, we wish them well.

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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:13 pm
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However, I really don't want to have to listen to sanctimonious speeches from Bono at every Fender event from here on out......Fender is the standard, and has been for a loooooonnnggg time. Modern radius', jumbo frets, digital effects? Keep it.

If that's where Fender is headed I'm out. Leave that garbage to the knock offs. What makes me a loyal Fender customer is I can still get a P bass with vintage specs. Take that away? I'm gone. Hell, I just put the covers and mute on my bass last night.


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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:23 pm
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So Fender just added 8 Courics in Number Two to their Board...great news everyone!
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With everything becoming digitized and synthesized these days,and all the iconic tried and true decades old successful guitar models and designs being "modernized" and "improved" upon,it looks like now Fender is starting to adhere to the belief that newer is better.I'd rather my old '69 Bassman and my '65 Strat,Mustang and Jaguar than a roomful of the new "what if" and "should have been" guitars and digitized amps.I have one of the newer hybrid does everything amps but it has a 60+ page instruction manual and a long learning curve that I find almost impossible to grasp. Although these amps can create an endless number of functions,these new guitar lines don't interest me in the slightest,I'd rather the rich "organic" tones of a classic old school unadulterated Fender guitar and amp combination any day. As I have said long before Joe Walsh wrote his song using the exact words that I have always used: "I'm an Analogue Man In A Digital World". I hope that Bono and Edge don't adhere to the "Newer is better" credo as some who are the big decision makers are almost dogmatic about these days.

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Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:50 pm
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Post subject: Re: Soooo apparently this happened...
Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 12:09 pm
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Well, gonna be a straight shooter on this. Actually... always am a straight shooter... prob why I'm not always the most popular "Forumite"in these places LOL :lol:
K... I digress...

Why should Fender stay stuck in the past?... not moving forward with today's technology... and making improvements on designs... that frankly... are improvements over the original design(s)?
You mean they should revert to everything they do the "Old Way" (which is not necessarily the better way... in every case)... because of a very small percentage of customers who are un-able to move forward... with the times.

Fender is doing an outstanding job IMO. Their products... YES... including all the mo-dern shenanigans... of which I own one of... a Mustang III amp... which I gig with... that works incredibly well... sound outstandingly awesome... is more practical than any tube amp I've ever owned (and I've owned MANY over the last 30+ years of playing and gigging ranging from Fender... Music Man... Ampeg... Marshall etc...)... and in a nutshell.. pisses down the back of every other amp at it's price point in terms of ease of use... modern features... build quality... sound quality... EVERYTHING.

Do you guy's really think Fender (and all the other top dogs in the industry) should hold themselves to a standard of stagnation... just for you?

Think about it.

They still offer the old designs for those who want straight up Vintage... so I honestly don't see why anyone would get a bug up their $@! about the new stuff. If you don't dig it... don't go there. Pretty simple really... stay stuck in the past if that's where your heads at.
As for Bono and Edge being on the board... don't see a prob there either.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 12:59 pm
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I don't need Fender to stay the same. They can toy with all the passing fads they like. However, that's not what they are doing. Both in practice and in moves like this. This company has steadily been compromising the integrity of those vintage models. There's no reason they can't do both, but for some reason. And this seems to be a Fender problem. It's almost like they can't make it co-exist. Hell, instead of making Squier a bloated introductory line. Why not make that the "cutting edge" line? Where all the newest fads and bells and whistles get merged in with the affordable solid state stuff? What does really well there can make it on to the Vintage Modified lines.

What I'm getting at is there is a mentality in large manufacturers that if a little bit of something is good. Doing it it full throttle is best. Steadily we've seen vintage spec gear "hot rodded", "modified" or simply done away with to make it just like all the other heaps upon heaps of stuff they, and every other manufacturer put out.

I'm not saying Fender should be a reissue company only. I'm saying that there should be more attention paid to the reissues, and instead of maybe churning out scads of modern spec gear. Maybe churning out a healthy amount of GOOD modern spec gear and a healthy amount of quality vintage spec stuff would be best?

Because the vintage style Fender stuff is hurting and it's only getting worse. It's all about the "Classic Vibe" and not the actually quality, tone and playability. Well, sure. You look "retro" but you sound like you're playing any other hunk of crap on the wall. I guess that's all that matters. Image.

There seems to be no end to the gimmicks they churn out each month. Maybe a little less style, and a little more substance might be the answer instead of turning themselves into another Line 6.

As far as the old way not being the better way. While the new way is certainly more efficient and thereby more cost effective. It certainly isn't better. A solid state amp is more dependable than an old tube amp. It doesn't sound better. I guess if people would rather be inexpensively and dependably mediocre than take their time to sound better than that's what the market will bear. Have at it.

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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:55 pm
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The King Of Pain is clearly upset with the U2 + FMIC collaboration.

Let me try this quote thing rather than edit his post...hold on...

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There seems to be no end to the gimmicks they churn out each month. Maybe a little less style, and a little more substance might be the answer instead of turning themselves into another Line 6.


Line 6 was getting ready to go under when Yamaha bought them out last month or so. Two major reasons being Fenders extremely successful Mustang series that out Lined 6 Line 6, and to a somewhat lessor extent the Fender Bronco 40. Line 6 abandoned the bass amp market about the same time.

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As far as the old way not being the better way. While the new way is certainly more efficient and thereby more cost effective. It certainly isn't better. A solid state amp is more dependable than an old tube amp. It doesn't sound better. I guess if people would rather be inexpensively and dependably mediocre than take their time to sound better than that's what the market will bear. Have at it.


But they do sound better! At first, I couldn't believe it either. I grew up with all tubes, and to actually hear a solid state that sounded better than tubes was/is blasphemy! But I just listened to, and posted a ton of blind tests that demonstrably prove otherwise. The $330 Mustang III actually sounded better than Fender's $2K+ Custom Shop Eric Clapton Tremolux! And there are many other clips to listen to. All Killer!

As a bass player, I love Fender Rumbles! They sound great! The price is right. I bought. I own. I'm happy, because I have a great lightweight bass amp that sounds fabulous and is both powerful and reliable.

I know you're going to buy a very expensive Super Bassman rig, and more power to you, but don't deny sonic greatness to us that can't afford such.

The future is now, my friend. Hop on board. 8)

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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 5:28 pm
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It's funny you mention the Mustang 3 and tube amps. Because our guitar player owns a Mustang 3 and he just upgraded to a Blues Junior. If you can't hear a difference between them then you're right. It's definitely not worth it to you. However, the difference in tonal quality is clear. Especially in the room with the amp. I left tubes behind almost 10 years ago when I sold my 74 Bassman 100. I've been gigging my 550X since then, and I can assure you that when it came out it was "The Future" and honestly there isn't a company out there making a hybrid that sounds better to this day. It's a killer rig. I have never, ever had a single maintenance issue with it and at 23lbs it's a hell of a lot lighter than my old Bassman. The tone it gets is awesome. Straight up.

HOWEVER, it still lacks the dynamics of a full tube rig. You can throw all the digital smoke and mirrors at it you like. If you're in the room in a club. The difference is clear. Even from a high end hybrid to a tube head. Much less the Mustang to a Junior. The modelling settings are super cool, and my guitarist was actually contemplating on getting rid of it and I told him he was crazy. If I was a guitarist I could definitely see how an amp like that would be a handy tool for at home practice. Want to try out an effect, but not actually have to buy it? There ya go. Want to get a rough idea what your guitar would sound like through different kinds of higher end amps? There ya go. These things are GREAT. Especially for musicians just starting out and exploring all the soundscapes available. Let's face it. To guitarists the list is nearly endless.

All that being said. I still miss that Bassman 100. Even though it had it's temperamental issues. Even though there was no built in DI. Even though I had to lug around a kick mic to mic my cab at really loud gigs. Still. It sounded and responded better than anything else I have ever played. Including an SVT. Much less a Rumble. Don't get me wrong. Rumbles are quality made for the price point they are at and have been for a long time. The Ensenada Plant makes killer affordable amps. You are certainly getting your money's worth.

I don't consider Fender basically pulling a Sony on Line 6 being a success. It just shows they have enough money to throw at a weak market to strong arm it. Yay. Meanwhile, there are plenty of holes in the Fender line where quality products are concerned. Yet they're shutting downing companies that churn out import gimmicks to entry level customers. That's not really setting the standard. That's just running the competition out of town. Whatever they can't shut down. They buy out. Then shut it down. That's modern big business 101. Yet, that hasn't really lead any industry into putting out better products.

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