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Post subject: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 6:11 am
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All of the first Fender electric guitars & bass guitars were 'white neck' only. Correct?
Was the white neck (frets in a maple neck - no fretboard) a Leo Fender invention? I've always thought it was, but don't know for sure.

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 8:25 am
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Yes they were all Maple Necks, one solid piece no separate fretboard, and Leo was probably the first to put the frets directly into the maple neck. He was most certainly the first to popularize it for sure.

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 5:39 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Yes they were all Maple Necks, one solid piece no separate fretboard, and Leo was probably the first to put the frets directly into the maple neck. He was most certainly the first to popularize it for sure.

Not without problems, though. Many of the first one-piece necks had a tendency to twist, something that was rarely seen with ebony and rosewood fretboard necks, because the composite construction added rigidity. At one point it became bad enough that Fender stopped producing all-maple necks altogether.

There were also problems with wear on the first few models, while Fender still used nitro also on the fretboard. I don't think Fender has done that since the 60s, though, even on reissues (they also don't use Brazilian rosewood on reissues, nor nuts cut for .012s with a wound third string, nor paper caps or cloth insulation on wires, so the historic accuracy is already pretty much shot).


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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 6:38 pm
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Yes they were all Maple Necks, one solid piece no separate fretboard, and Leo was probably the first to put the frets directly into the maple neck. He was most certainly the first to popularize it for sure.

Not without problems, though. Many of the first one-piece necks had a tendency to twist, something that was rarely seen with ebony and rosewood fretboard necks, because the composite construction added rigidity. At one point it became bad enough that Fender stopped producing all-maple necks altogether.

There were also problems with wear on the first few models, while Fender still used nitro also on the fretboard. I don't think Fender has done that since the 60s, though, even on reissues (they also don't use Brazilian rosewood on reissues, nor nuts cut for .012s with a wound third string, nor paper caps or cloth insulation on wires, so the historic accuracy is already pretty much shot).


Where do you get your info? :shock: :shock:
They made Maple necks from 50 (Teles) up to 58 and then started again in the late 60s right up until today! Go back and reread a reputable book on the History of Fender. When they were developing the Tele, i.e., Esquire Fender didn't use Truss Rods, the twisting happened with the earliest test runs (and not all of them, just some) so Don Randall convinced Leo to use a truss rod and problem solved! As for the finishing, yep they still use good ol Nitro on the Reissues for the Entire Neck and the body as well. And after years of playing you'll have that nice worn in look...that everyone tries to copy! I have a 82 US Vintage Reissue '57 Strat and it is nitro all the way, with a solid maple neck and I have never had that guitar let me down once. Again go back and find a couple of reputable books to read and get your facts straight!
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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 6:44 pm
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Again go back and find a couple of reputable books to read and get your facts straight!


Proggies seldom read......it's easier to just drink the utopian kool-aid and look for somebody handing out a free lunch.

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 7:05 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Again go back and find a couple of reputable books to read and get your facts straight!


Proggies seldom read......it's easier to just drink the utopian kool-aid and look for somebody handing out a free lunch.

:lol:

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 7:18 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
arth1 wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
Yes they were all Maple Necks, one solid piece no separate fretboard, and Leo was probably the first to put the frets directly into the maple neck. He was most certainly the first to popularize it for sure.

Not without problems, though. Many of the first one-piece necks had a tendency to twist, something that was rarely seen with ebony and rosewood fretboard necks, because the composite construction added rigidity. At one point it became bad enough that Fender stopped producing all-maple necks altogether.

There were also problems with wear on the first few models, while Fender still used nitro also on the fretboard. I don't think Fender has done that since the 60s, though, even on reissues (they also don't use Brazilian rosewood on reissues, nor nuts cut for .012s with a wound third string, nor paper caps or cloth insulation on wires, so the historic accuracy is already pretty much shot).


Where do you get your info? :shock: :shock:
They made Maple necks from 50 (Teles) up to 58 and then started again in the late 60s right up until today! Go back and reread a reputable book on the History of Fender.


That does not contradict what I said. "At one point" implies that it wasn't permanent.
(And the temporary shift to rosewood happened in '59, not '58.)

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When they were developing the Tele, i.e., Esquire Fender didn't use Truss Rods, the twisting happened with the earliest test runs (and not all of them, just some) so Don Randall convinced Leo to use a truss rod and problem solved!


No, problem not solved. They stopped producing all-maple necks in the late 50s (as you said) precisely because of problems with twisting and lacquer wearing off. The truss rod introduced in 1950 helped prevent bending, not twisting along the axis.

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As for the finishing, yep they still use good ol Nitro on the Reissues for the Entire Neck and the body as well. And after years of playing you'll have that nice worn in look...that everyone tries to copy! I have a 82 US Vintage Reissue '57 Strat and it is nitro all the way, with a solid maple neck and I have never had that guitar let me down once. Again go back and find a couple of reputable books to read and get your facts straight!


Like "The Fender Telecaster: The Detailed Story of America's Solid Body Electric Guitar" and "The Fender Telecaster Handbook"?
Few guitars since the early '60s are "nitro all the way", especially not for the fretboard. You have a nitro finish, but not a nitro base. Generally, for a nitro finish neck, a satin urethane base is covered with nitro, unlike the 50s models which really had only nitro. This is generally a good thing, because nitro isn't very durable.


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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 7:27 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
Again go back and find a couple of reputable books to read and get your facts straight!


Proggies seldom read......it's easier to just drink the utopian kool-aid and look for somebody handing out a free lunch.


You're down to names calling again, I see. I refuse to engage in that game, given that you have shown much more expertise in that than me.

As for your attempted insult - you missed by a wide margin. The next time you try to call me something you feel everyone should see as insulting, at least call me "commie" - it's far closer to the truth. You know, "from each according to ability", in which case you can sit and do nothing.


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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 1:19 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
I have a 82 US Vintage Reissue '57 Strat and it is nitro all the way, with a solid maple neck


Hey, we have the same guitar. First electric guitar I owned. Got it for Christmas. Mines blue. The maple neck has aged to a dark orange color. I don't care how much they try to tint maple to look aged, it really doesn't look like the real thing. The body is checked everywhere. The paint job is very thin. When it wears away at the arm contour, it still feels like glass and retains a glossiness. It's hard to describe, but I do think its a strange thing the way it happens. Great guitar!

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:04 am
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My 1992 '62 American Vintage (the precursor to the current US-made Reissue series) wasn't a perfectly accurate reissue on some fronts (pickguard color, nut wasn't cut for a wound G), but it had cloth wiring and has a very nice feel and tone.

The US reissues aren't necessarily a perfect recreation, but they are generally well-made guitars with great tone, and they're a great starting point for someone who wants to mod a vintage-looking piece without screwing up an actual vintage piece.

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 5:22 pm
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Jah Soldier wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
I have a 82 US Vintage Reissue '57 Strat and it is nitro all the way, with a solid maple neck


Hey, we have the same guitar. First electric guitar I owned. Got it for Christmas. Mines blue. The maple neck has aged to a dark orange color. I don't care how much they try to tint maple to look aged, it really doesn't look like the real thing. The body is checked everywhere. The paint job is very thin. When it wears away at the arm contour, it still feels like glass and retains a glossiness. It's hard to describe, but I do think its a strange thing the way it happens. Great guitar!


JAH Soldier...Cool, they are great guitars, mine is Sunburst. And I was pretty sure it was finished in Nitro all the way, and sure enough the tags/info that came with it even tout the fact that they are nitro finish, body and neck all the way. Here it is. I like the feel of the finish too although I don't have much checking, but the neck does have some nice wear on it. This guitar has seen 150+ gigs or so, numerous practice sessions and jams, it has held up well over it's 30 plus years.

Post a pic of yours...was it Lake Placid Blue or Ocean Turqouise? I think that was the only blues they offered back then.

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T2Stratman wrote:

JAH Soldier...Cool, they are great guitars, mine is Sunburst. And I was pretty sure it was finished in Nitro all the way, and sure enough the tags/info that came with it even tout the fact that they are nitro finish, body and neck all the way. Here it is. I like the feel of the finish too although I don't have much checking, but the neck does have some nice wear on it. This guitar has seen 150+ gigs or so, numerous practice sessions and jams, it has held up well over it's 30 plus years.

Post a pic of yours...was it Lake Placid Blue or Ocean Turqouise? I think that was the only blues they offered back then.

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:03 pm
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My 83-57 has also checked a fair amount.

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:40 pm
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That's really aging nicely, Toronado.

Love that Oly White!

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Post subject: Re: White Neck Q
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 10:37 pm
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I don't have very many good pictures of it. The guitar is at my mom's house. It's what I play when I visit. She lives in California. But I do have a few that show the love.

I'm not quite sure of the name of this color.

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Pictures with a flash reveal what's really going on. In this picture, you can see the checking under the bridge pretty good. Fact is, if you see it up close in person, it's going on throughout the whole guitar body.

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The camera I used for these pics really isn't the greatest. But, if you look closely, you can see that the checking also goes sideways and in diagonal patterns. That's really a true sign of an authentic relic. It's not something you really see on "new" relics. And you'd be very hard pressed to see it with urethane finishes.

Here's a good example of it from a side view of the back contour.

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The flash makes it look like scratches, but it's all natural checking. In reality, they're hairline checks and not as viewable from even 5 feet away. The camera still has a hard time picking up the ones going length-wise.

Look under the neck heel and inside the horn areas, you can see them curve and follow the wood grain. That's another good sign of natural aged checking. It really is fascinating to look at in person, and only gets better as time goes by.

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