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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 3:33 pm
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I have to admit I enjoy the fast players. To an extent as described by a few folks above.
2 guys I enjoy listening to are Gary Moore and Neal Schon. Really fast but tasteful.
Go ahead and pile on. I can take it.


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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 5:51 pm
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jeebus wrote:
... 2 guys I enjoy listening to are Gary Moore and Neal Schon. Really fast but tasteful.
Go ahead and pile on ...

Okay, I'll be the first to pile on...

1) Gary Moore ... Dude was awesome. Two words: "Parisienne Walkways". (to everyone else reading this) Check it out if you have not heard it.

2) Neal Schon ... Personally, I really would not consider him a "fast" guitar player, not like Yngwie (or even Gary Moore) is fast. Yes, he can double pick triplets, but I am not sure that counts here. About the fastest I have heard (and seen him) is the H.S.A.S. project he did with Hagar. Generally, I am not a fan of him at all ... and, yes, it probably stems back to Marin County, California where he (on multiple occasions) tried to pick up my then 16-year-old girlfriend back when I was 18, and he was a rockstar in Journey. Really, Neal??? Mr. Big Rockstar????? You have to steal girlfriends???? And, no, he did not succeed in case you were wondering. At Least as far as I know ... Yeah, I am still bitter ... LOL
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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:38 pm
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The only guitarist who ever really impressed me with fast playing was Ritchie Blackmore. Even when he hit top speed in a song like Highway Star he was still playing with incredible feel and passion.

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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 10:28 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
The only guitarist who ever really impressed me with fast playing was Ritchie Blackmore. Even when he hit top speed in a song like Highway Star he was still playing with incredible feel and passion.


+1!

He wasn't too "snail-ish" on Made In Japan's "Child In Time" either.

128th notes IIRC.....about seven notes per second.

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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 6:55 am
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concentrating on speed in guitar playing .... it's a little like nailing Jell-O to a tree or trying to herd cats.

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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 7:12 am
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Drubbing wrote:
Playing fast is a pissing contest to impress other players. The faster guys play [insert usual suspects like Vai…] the more I turn off and resolve never to listen to them again.


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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 9:44 am
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Interesting topic.
IME... the reason most Cat's hate the guy that can rock bitchingly fast and articulate lead guitar is.... fear.
They don't have the patience, persistence or belief in themselves to get their chops up.

When they experience someone else who "Can" do it... all of the cliche BS starts popping out...
"That guy overplays"... "There's no feeling in it"... "It's just stunt guitar" etc...
Are there those types of players out there... Sure... but there a a whole lot of Cat's who say something with those skills.

A few have already been mentioned... Blackmore... Morse...
Those two right there.... say a whole lot whether their lines are fast or slow.
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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 10:20 am
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Just thinking about Blackmore ... even though he was one of the original "fast" guitar players, this remains my all time favourite solo of his. Great song, brilliantly played.

And the solo is just beautiful.

And slow.


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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 10:27 am
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Blackmore again. I won't embed this as the song's nearly 17 minutes long but here he is playing live and going from fast insanity to a wonderfully phrased slow blues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHBmmlej ... page#t=596

Glenn Hughes wasn't bad either. Until he started singing like Stevie Wonder.

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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 11:05 am
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Blackmore again. I won't embed this as the song's nearly 17 minutes long but here he is playing live and going from fast insanity to a wonderfully phrased slow blues.


"Lazy" is another DP song that featured some particularly tasty blues riffs. I don't know what happened to Blackmore (a recent pic shows him clad in a goofy-looking Robin Hood costume and holding a balalaika) but "back in the day" he definitely owned a clearly superb style.

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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 1:59 pm
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And then there were these guys Al Di Meola, Paco de Lucía and John McLaughlin, got to admit some fast playing there, no sloppy notes either
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:27 pm
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This is fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8zHyEG6ZpY

This is really fast - it is also a practice thing - not to be confused with a performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTbupYYDngU

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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:15 am
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I didn't say I didn't like "fast" players.

I don't like the players whose only claim to fame is their speed and technique (Yngwie comes to mind).

I'll take slow, soulful and sloppy over a technical robotic speed demon any day...if someone can play tastefully, fast and with feeling, I'll definitely listen.

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:20 am
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Al di Meola is a player that manages to both show technical expertise and produce great music with feeling.
He's way underrated, not to say unknown to most, because the genres (and yes, there is such a word) he play aren't as popular as mainstream.

Richie Blackmore was mentioned earlier. He's got chops, and is a great player not just because of the expertise, but because he knows when not to display it. Sometimes a couple of simple notes that anyone can play is what's needed for a song, and then he'll play them without embellishments.


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Post subject: Re: playing fast
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 4:06 pm
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Everyone hates on Yngwie but he did his part in ushering in a era of neo-classical rock. Most people got a bad vibe from him having an attitude. I'm sure he fakes some of the attitude just to be a bad-boy type. I think he just comes across a certain way, and people love to take everything he says to the extreme. I bet if he played it on a classical guitar clean everyone would identify with the feeling of the song. It's just classical with distortion and some of it fast. I don't love it but I do respect it. So many awesome guitarists from the 60-70-80's. SRV was pretty fast also. Vai is a madman on guitar, he put together all the solos played at the end of Crossroads. On the topic, I think any seasoned player should be able to play at least medium-fast. Or have good chording. Maybe about like Page (except the solo from Heart Breaker when he goes berzerk). Awesome chord skills are also very impressive. But like so many here have said already, all of it needs to be used tastefully. Non-stop shredding is hard on people's ears and brains.

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