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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:38 pm
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Led Zeppelin is very bluesy-rock. Maybe heavy blues, but I wouldn't call any of it heavy metal, any more than I would call Jethro Tull heavy metal (although JT did win a heavy metal award). :lol:

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:48 am
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I still remember them being cast into that genre pool though. It wouldn't be considered Heavy Metal these days, and musically, I get they were more diverse than just distorted heavy metal. But there weren't very many different sub-genres back then (Ie, metal, NU metal, hair metal, post hardcore, emo, screamo, etc).. The term Blues Rock or Heavy Blues weren't used to label anything back then that I can remember.

They kinda were lumped in with AC/DC, KISS, Black Sabbath.. Stairway To Heaven was considered a Heavy Metal anthem wasn't it?

I was a kid in the 70's, so I can't speak for how adults viewed Zeppelin. But I remember them being in tons of Heavy Metal magazines and their merchandise certainly made a killing with Heavy Metal fans.

It was a very strange time for these kinds of labeling whether it was by radio or fans. What else would they have been called back then?

Weren't Rush and Pink Floyd kinda lumped in there too? They had a lot of fans that were considered Heavy Metal by culture. But what were they exactly? Where did they fit? Aerosmith too.

Then Mötley Crüe comes along and things start getting a little glamish. Then Metallica and Slayer comes along to create a different style. Later Korn..And nobody knows what to call anything anymore. But things got so far removed from the 70's era that all of the sudden people just started calling it classic rock. That's kinda how I remember it going down.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:42 am
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A cover version is not Classic Rock, unless the cover was done in the 60s-80s, and the cover itself became a hit (like Clapton's version of "I Shot the Sheriff")


Oooooooh. I wouldnt call Claptons `i shot the sheriff` classic rock. A few more choice words spring to mind.....

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:02 pm
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Back in the late 60's - 70's when I was listening it was either Rock, Pop, Disco or Middle of the Road, I think the only sub of Rock mentioned in the early days was "psychedelic" like Pink Floyd and a host of others coming out of the Flower Power era and morphing into Prog, I also think a few Bands liked to label themselves at times, just to get noticed that they were something out of the ordinary, much like the whole Punk thing to me at least, there's a few Middle of the Roaders that jumped on that bandwagon, same with Glam Rock, anyway back before Punk, Glam and any other genre the only genre's anyone talked about were Good Rock and Bad Rock as for Classic it all falls into the Good Rock category, life was simpler back then....or maybe it was just me.


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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:19 pm
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arth1 wrote:
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But anyhow, what I meant was that you cannot play Classic Rock on a guitar. Not even Eric Clapton can do that, unless he has a time traveling device.

What you are saying makes no sense. Anybody that play rock music from the 60s, 70s, and early 80s would be playing classic rock. Its music rock music from a time period.


No, it's rock hits recorded in that period.
It's not the song that is Classic Rock, it's the recording.
A cover version is not Classic Rock, unless the cover was done in the 60s-80s, and the cover itself became a hit (like Clapton's version of "I Shot the Sheriff").

The criteria for whether something is Classic Rock is:
1: Is it rock?
2: Is the recording from the 60s to 80s?
3: Was that recording a hit?

Say no to any of those, and it's not Classic Rock, and won't be played on Classic Rock stations.

TL;DR: Classic Rock is not a music genre, its a radio classification/tag for specific recordings of a song.



Hmmmm... there are certainly notable exceptions to this. Songs that meet 1-3, yet you wouldn't consider "Classic Rock". God Save the Queen by The Sex Pistols comes to mind. Yet, I do agree with you 100% that "Classic Rock" is a radio classification and not a musical genre. Many different genres of music fall into what is considered "Classic Rock".

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:14 pm
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TheKingofPain wrote:
Many different genres of music fall into what is considered "Classic Rock".


Indeed!

Like the Starland Vocal Band's "Afternoon Delight", Phoebe Snow's "Poetry Man", Carl Douglas' "Kung Fu Fighting", and Minnie Riperton's "Loving You" (ugh!).

And let us not forget the unforgettable Cowsills!

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:46 pm
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Then by Arth1's/Wikipedia's definition I guess that this would not be "classical" music.


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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
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I like SAs definition because it rules out pop-rock thereby nipping in the bud the dizzying debates that can ensue if pop is not excluded.

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Classic rock is non-pop rock songs from the mid-60's to early 80's. Period.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:14 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
TheKingofPain wrote:
Many different genres of music fall into what is considered "Classic Rock".


Indeed!

Like the Starland Vocal Band's "Afternoon Delight", Phoebe Snow's "Poetry Man", Carl Douglas' "Kung Fu Fighting", and Minnie Riperton's "Loving You" (ugh!).

And let us not forget the unforgettable Cowsills!

:lol:

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You did not just say "Afternoon Delight"!? That will be haunting me the rest of the day! I'm just thinking if you say "Classic Rock". That covers most of your 60's and 70's album rock. At least to most people. However, it also covers things like Lou Reed, David Bowie, The Clash, and bands like that. Not what you would normally consider "Classic Rock", but certainly fit the description listed above and the commercially popular songs from those acts get airplay. However, I would never put The Clash in the same genre as. I don't know. Steely Dan or something like that.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:29 am
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I still remember them being cast into that genre pool though. It wouldn't be considered Heavy Metal these days, and musically, I get they were more diverse than just distorted heavy metal. But there weren't very many different sub-genres back then (Ie, metal, NU metal, hair metal, post hardcore, emo, screamo, etc).. The term Blues Rock or Heavy Blues weren't used to label anything back then that I can remember.

They kinda were lumped in with AC/DC, KISS, Black Sabbath.. Stairway To Heaven was considered a Heavy Metal anthem wasn't it?

I was a kid in the 70's, so I can't speak for how adults viewed Zeppelin. But I remember them being in tons of Heavy Metal magazines and their merchandise certainly made a killing with Heavy Metal fans.

It was a very strange time for these kinds of labeling whether it was by radio or fans. What else would they have been called back then?


In Europe, there was a classification "Heavy Rock" that preceded "Heavy Metal". The term "Heavy Rock" never really made it to the US, and when Steppenwolf came out with "Born to be Wild", the term "Heavy Metal" came to be. But Led Zeppelin was definitely Heavy Rock.


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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:35 am
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Just jammed some Dirty Deeds on it. How would that be classified these days? Is old AC/DC considered Classic Rock, or Heavy Metal? It's hard to tell anymore. I say it's Heavy Metal. Led Zeppelin is a weird one for me too. I always considered them Heavy Metal. Maybe I have it wrong nowadays. I don't know.

The labels are meaningless, listen to what CR stations are playing. That's what they think is Classic Rock. Would LZ or AC/DC get played on a CR station? Yes. If it was any good.

We don't have such a thing over here, (except via digital streaming), but I suspect if we did, it would be filled with Boston, Journey, The Doors, Pop-era Clapton and Fleetwood Mac, CCR, ZZ Top, Dire Straits, Bob Seger's three hits, the usual ones from the Stones, and at least one spin of Copperhead Road per day. The sort of stuff the 45-60 demographic would listen to.


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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:49 am
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Drubbing wrote:
Bob Seger's three hits


Only three hits?

:shock:

Surely you jest.

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Jah Soldier wrote:
... Led Zeppelin is a weird one for me too. I always considered them Heavy Metal. Maybe I have it wrong nowadays. I don't know.


I've been listening to Led Zepplin since the beginning, before actually as I was a YardBirds Fan as well. I've NEVER considered them to be Heavy Metal, not with the Blues roots they all share. Alhough I've heard other mis-informed people say the same thing. :)

To me, the 1st real Heavy Metal Band was:

8) 8) 8)

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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:51 am
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To me, the 1st real Heavy Metal Band was:

8) 8) 8)


+1

And across the puddle, Black Sabbath.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:40 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
To me, the 1st real Heavy Metal Band was:

8) 8) 8)


+1

And across the puddle, Black Sabbath.

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But back then it was called Hard Rock, there was no heavy metal until that cartoon movie came out.


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