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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:57 am
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No, it's rock hits recorded in that period.
It's not the song that is Classic Rock, it's the recording.
A cover version is not Classic Rock, unless the cover was done in the 60s-80s, and the cover itself became a hit (like Clapton's version of "I Shot the Sheriff").

The criteria for whether something is Classic Rock is:
1: Is it rock?
2: Is the recording from the 60s to 80s?
3: Was that recording a hit?

Say no to any of those, and it's not Classic Rock, and won't be played on Classic Rock stations.

TL;DR: Classic Rock is not a music genre, its a radio classification/tag for specific recordings of a song.


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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:49 am
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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:40 am
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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
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arth1 wrote:
The criteria for whether something is Classic Rock is:
1: Is it rock?
2: Is the recording from the 60s to 80s?
3: Was that recording a hit?

Say no to any of those, and it's not Classic Rock, and won't be played on Classic Rock stations.

TL;DR: Classic Rock is not a music genre, its a radio classification/tag for specific recordings of a song.

That may be your criteria but it is not shared with the vast, vast, vast majority of people.
You may well be correct in asserting the tag was coined by radio stations.
You have also quite rightly identified that many (OK most) C/R stations only play the hits of the day and not the B-sides.
That in no way detracts from the fact the term classic rock, whatever its original intention may have been, is in fact a term to describe the music genre, not the specific recording or whether it was a hit.

If you are entitled to your own definition which flies in the face of what every other person living in western civilization believes then I am entitled to provide you with the definition you seem to want to exclude.

Classic rock is any rock music which was written in the 60s, 70s or early 80s and it continues to be classic rock regardless of who plays it and where or when. THAT .... is the commonly accepted criteria. I know I can't speak for every person alive in the world but I strongly suspect your criteria is yours and yours alone. Don't get me wrong. I love splitting hairs too but this one is a losing battle.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:29 am
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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:52 am
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arth1 wrote:
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But anyhow, what I meant was that you cannot play Classic Rock on a guitar. Not even Eric Clapton can do that, unless he has a time traveling device.

What you are saying makes no sense. Anybody that play rock music from the 60s, 70s, and early 80s would be playing classic rock. Its music rock music from a time period.


No, it's rock hits recorded in that period.
It's not the song that is Classic Rock, it's the recording.
A cover version is not Classic Rock, unless the cover was done in the 60s-80s, and the cover itself became a hit (like Clapton's version of "I Shot the Sheriff").

The criteria for whether something is Classic Rock is:
1: Is it rock?
2: Is the recording from the 60s to 80s?
3: Was that recording a hit?

Say no to any of those, and it's not Classic Rock, and won't be played on Classic Rock stations.

TL;DR: Classic Rock is not a music genre, its a radio classification/tag for specific recordings of a song.

By that logic, there are technically no genres of music, just "music"...you're nitpicking. Classic rock is non-pop rock songs from the mid-60's to early 80's. Period.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:27 am
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If you are entitled to your own definition which flies in the face of what every other person living in western civilization believes


Apparently not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_rock

Feel free to correct the Wikipedia entry if you think it is all wrong, but then you better be able to back it up with references and justify your changes on the Talk page.


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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:45 pm
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As I said (or at least implied), whatever the original intent of the term was it has since morphed. People don't care what was originally meant by the term. The term 'fridge' (that rather large steel box in your kitchen where you put your beer to keep it cold) was originally a shortened form of the trade name Frigidaire which was an early manufacturer of refrigerators. The term originally referred to a Frigidaire brand refrigerator but few people under the age of 35 are aware of that fact and they think fridge is short for refrigerator ... and they are right. Nowadays that is exactly what is meant by the term in common usage. The term 'g4y' (rhymes with bay and spelled that way to get around the language filter) was once used to describe a specific kind of emotion that was like a combination of excitement, fun and sheer happiness. Nowadays people would look at you strangely if you tried to use that word in its traditional usage. They would wonder why in the world you are referring to homosexuality in a context completely unrelated to sexual orientation. The word artificial was originally used to describe something that was wonderfully and artfully made but now it means contrived and/or synthetic. The word awful originally meant the same thing as awe inspiring but now it means something unpleasant. The word gentleman originally only meant 'land owner' and it was no contradiction to say a man was a gentleman and a cad but somewhere along the line it morphed and became descriptive of a man's character rather than his holdings. The term bully was originally a positive endorsement of a person's character (hence the expression, bully for you) but now it is negative. The word garble was once the complete opposite of what it is now. It used to be a verb describing the act of sorting out a mess. Now it just means mess. If I thought about it long enough I could probably come up with a dozen more examples such as ... oh, I don't know ... classic rock.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:12 pm
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That's one of the troublesome things about Wikipedia, any Tom, Dick or Harry can change it. I've never considered Wikipedia anything more than interesting, certainly not authoritative on any subject.

I prefer more accepted definitions, from say, Merriam-Webster.

-Classic
1 clas·sic
adjective \ˈkla-sik\

—used to say that something has come to be considered one of the best of its kind
—used to say that something is an example of excellence
used to describe something that has been popular for a long time


-Rock (short for Rock n' Roll, a phrase coined in about 1954 to describe a new type of music)
1rock
verb \ˈräk\

- to move (someone or something) back and forth or from side to side
- to cause (something) to shake violently
- to cause (someone or something) to be upset or shocked

transitive verb
1-to move back and forth in or as if in a cradle
2-a : to cause to sway back and forth <a boat rocked by the waves>
-b (1) : to cause to shake violently (2) : to daze with or as if with a vigorous blow <a hard right rocked the contender> (3) : to astonish or disturb greatly <the scandal rocked the community>
3- to rouse to excitement (as by performing rock music) <rocked the crowd>


Put it all together and you get:
Classic Rock - A type of music that can rouse one to excitement, that is considered the best of its kind and has been popular for a long time.

Jimi Hendrix songs, the Beatles songs, etc, are considered among those that are referred to as Classic Rock. Anyone that can play these songs on guitar, is considered to be playing Classic Rock, by almost everyone's definition.

Can one play a Hendrix song on their own guitar? Yes.
Can one play a Beatles song on their own guitar? Yes.
Can one play any Classic Rock song on their own guitar? Yes.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:18 pm
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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:27 pm
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Jah Soldier wrote:
And much better tubes than current production.


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Can't argue with that!

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Just jammed some Dirty Deeds on it. How would that be classified these days? Is old AC/DC considered Classic Rock, or Heavy Metal? It's hard to tell anymore. I say it's Heavy Metal. Led Zeppelin is a weird one for me too. I always considered them Heavy Metal. Maybe I have it wrong nowadays. I don't know.

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:41 pm
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Am I to assume that 30 years from now we won't be looking back at rock songs of today and consider them classic rock? From that point of view, I would say that yes it's possible to play classic rock........kind of. :wink:

As for the initial question, what are the characteristics of rock? I would add "time" to that list.

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:42 pm
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That's one of the troublesome things about Wikipedia, any Tom, Dick or Harry can change it. I've never considered Wikipedia anything more than interesting, certainly not authoritative on any subject..

Exactly... I once got a really high score on Missile Command on the Atari 2600 we had set up at work for a few laughs and as a joke some of the fellers entered it in Wikipedia. It was up for a while but someone caught it and took it off.

To me "Classic Rock" describes Rock and Roll that stands the test of time and stays relevant. I heard Pearl Jam in between Elton John and the Eagles on a "Classic Rock" station once. At first i thought it was odd but then i thought well it sorta makes sense. That songs about 20 years old and doesn't sound completely out of place.

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Post subject: Re: What exactly are characteristic of classic rock
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:53 pm
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Classic Rock is mostly 4/4 tempo, 3 chord rock with rooted 5th & 6th notes. It is so common that everybody plays it - even younger kids starting out will play it without realizing it.

Here's a prime example from 1974.... Bachman Turner Overdrive....



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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:14 pm
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Led Zeppelin is a weird one for me too. I always considered them Heavy Metal. Maybe I have it wrong nowadays. I don't know.


"D'yer Maker" heavy metal?

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