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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:54 am
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She is a very good skier and quite a celebrity here in Slovenia.

Kind of off topic, but you live in Slovenia?! Your country was getting a lot of publicity here in Canada during the Olympics. Not sure if you're a hockey fan, but it was great to see Slovenia play well on such a big stage. I'm a huge fan of Anze Kopitar.
Back on topic now... what you describe seems to be very standard these days. Kind of depressing.


Yep :) Our boys did spur quite a surprise, didn't they? :P I bet half the world didn't know Slovenia even existed before the Olympics lol :lol: Although I'm not a big fan of winter sports and thus didn't really watch the Olympics much, I must say the people here were very, very happy and pretty much everything was oriented around the Olympics. Our athletes really made us proud :)

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:33 am
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Neimenljivi wrote:
Our athletes really made us proud :)

hell yeah, that was cool to watch. And I bet you have a few more hockey fans now.

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I meant keyboard as the dominant synth sound used in modern pop music.

I'm probably in the minority on a guitar forum, but I like a lot of 'synth music'. At one point, electric guitars were seen the same way. Remember when 'Dylan went electric, and the backlash?

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:56 am
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I think a lot of what you're getting at has little to do with the "music", and a lot to do with the "industry" aspect of it. There are tons of great artists making really cool music out there almost every day of the week in dive bars, coffee houses, and the like. Music as an industry has been heading downhill for a long, long time. Long before I ever came around. I never listen to the radio anymore. Good music is alive and well. It's just not what sells right now for the most part.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:41 am
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Pearl Jam's new record immediately went No. 1 in about 96 countries.

People are thirsty for good music played by musicians who play instruments.

Arctic Monkeys and Queens of the Stone Age are two other bands I've seen recently who are amazing live -- all of them great players.

Then we can talk about the many other rock, guitar-based bands that are out there rockin'. Rock music is not dead. It's just that MTV and FM radio is dead as far as telling people what to listen to. But that's okay; we have youtube and The Fender Forum now.










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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:04 am
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Think of " :wink: Music(zak) :wink: in a commercial setting as nothing more than a promotional vehicle, jingles as the term really applies.... The aim is to repeat a theme so that the humain brain locks into that repetitive message.....
Artistry has really nothing to do with it... It's all about generating revenues from product sales...

We could argue about this but this was prominent back in the early days of radio and then TV...
Nothing has changed, it just has become more refined ( contradictory term )... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:22 pm
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I don't think any act was immune, even elvis was dominated by the hand of the corporates. The music industry is a corporate one. Always has been.

There is good music out there, trouble is no one sees it as such or wants to listen to it. The older people get, the less tolerant of new music they become.

My answer is if you don't like todays new music, chances are that you are listening to the wrong stuff.. Perhaps even taking too much notice of what's popular today on radio or tv. The music industry ain't what it used to be 40 years ago, or 10 years ago as times constantly change.. but there is definitely something for everyone in every genre. But if you listen to the same old same ole stuff, you will eventually fall behind on what's new and won't see it for what you want it to be or what it is.. Regardless of what genre that could be.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:08 pm
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TheKingofPain wrote:
I think a lot of what you're getting at has little to do with the "music", and a lot to do with the "industry" aspect of it. There are tons of great artists making really cool music out there almost every day of the week in dive bars, coffee houses, and the like. Music as an industry has been heading downhill for a long, long time. Long before I ever came around. I never listen to the radio anymore. Good music is alive and well. It's just not what sells right now for the most part.


Well put..and I agree.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:34 pm
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Miami Mike wrote:
TheKingofPain wrote:
I think a lot of what you're getting at has little to do with the "music", and a lot to do with the "industry" aspect of it. There are tons of great artists making really cool music out there almost every day of the week in dive bars, coffee houses, and the like. Music as an industry has been heading downhill for a long, long time. Long before I ever came around. I never listen to the radio anymore. Good music is alive and well. It's just not what sells right now for the most part.


Well put..and I agree.
Same here, all of the best bands today are in the underground.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:23 pm
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SKcoppertele wrote:
I meant keyboard as the dominant synth sound used in modern pop music.


Nothing wrong with that - there's room for both. Mike Oldfield is an example of a good guitar player who has composed several good songs where synth is the foreground instrument.
And I wouldn't ditch Jean-Michel Jarre, Michael Cretu, Vangelis or Kraftwerk either - they have influenced music quite a bit.

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As for Jon lord, Rick wakeman, and Keith Emerson, that was amazing creative use of Hammond and moog, up in the mix, but never the main of the song.


For Rick Wakeman, at least, you're wrong. His playing was the key to and "the main of" many of Yes' greatests songs (including their signature song, Roundabout). Not to mention all his other projects.
And for great songs where guitar comes second, let's not forget The Who's "Baba O'Reilly", or great bands like Styx and Toto who often had keyboard play the star.

Again, there's room for both, and I personally think we'd all be a bit poorer without all the great keyboard songs of the last fifty years. Heck, much of what I play on the guitar is music that originated with great keyboardists.
It shouldn't be either/or, it should be both. And if anyone can make great music on a kazoo, I'm all for that too. It's not the instrument, it's the song and the players.

But let me just leave this, for those who still think that keyboard shouldn't lead a band:



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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:25 pm
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I haven't listened to commercial music stations for many years now and when I do listen to AM or FM stations I only listen to CBC Radio One and Radio Two -AM and FM respectively-because they feature the best of alternative,indie and new wave music. Even the "oldies" stations take the lazy route and play the same 2-300 song rotation day in and day out,insisting on playing only songs that we were made sick of hearing first when they were released by being put on a 3-5 times an hour rotation when they were newly released.So basically they only play Top 40 hits from the past 4 decades,forgetting that there were other great songs from the albums their hits were taken from,and that we are all familiar with but are hardly sick of hearing.I blame most of this on the regular radio listeners who have become little more than complacent sheep who allow themselves to be force-fed this stale old crap.

I only listen to SiriusXM these days or go to LastFM which I have subscribed to on the web for the past 5 years.Sirius plays great indie,alternative and new wave rock as well as great old album rock.With the exception of a couple of DJs on the 60s on 6 station,even the oldies stations play little heard and even obscure songs from the 60s and onward.You can easily tell who the DJs that got their start on commercial radio are,becase they still insist on talking all during the intro of any given song until the vocals start-that's something that the numbskulls on commercial radio still do to this very day and something that has always gotten on my nerves to no end.I believe they called it "hitting the post" or "Kissing the post" in the olden days of radio.

The music industry has become a farce where a singer's fashion sense or physical attributes takes precedence over their having any modicum of talent.They churn out the same bland,tasteless,mass produced generic pablum and try to pass it off as music and the I-pod generation just eat it up because the current generation has basically grown up without having knowledge of what constitutes good music and just think that anything with a danceable beat played at a high volume is just great.They also have little or no knowledge about what good audio fidelity is because their whole listening experience has usually been restricted to a gum package sized box sending music out through a pair of green bean sized ear buds.Not only music but the whole listening experience is headed down the plug-hole because that too has been a victim of the universal dumbing down of just about everything else under the sun.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:50 pm
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While I domagree that a lot of stuff today trends towards pre-generated crap (i.e. plug in a few words and something generic seems to come out of a program) and there are a lot of reality shows with mediocre talent, there is some good talent showing up too... Tessanne Chin (sp?) from The Voice was an amazing talent imho....

Personally I just listen to my oldies but goodies from my era and think about how great things were back in the day lol....


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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:42 pm
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In the late seventeenth century the most popular composer of secular vocal music in England was a guy called Thomas Morley. He was so popular because he basically owned the entire printing industry, and so it was really easy to get his scores. Industry nonsense playing a part in what people listen to is not a new phenomenon.

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Post subject: Re: The State Of Music
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:24 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
it's been happening for some time now, but the 'talent requirement' is at an all-time low. At least Elvis could sing.

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Lol no he couldn't


Also, he made his fortune and fame by commercializing old blues standards and making them "safe" for white kids. Take of the rose tinted nostalgia goggles.

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