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Post subject: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:43 pm
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Which camp do you fall in, analog music (vinyl, tube amp) or digital music (CD, xxxxx-xxxxx xxx DVD), or somewhere in between? :?:


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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:45 pm
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well now if that's not a trolling question, I don't know what is. :lol:

Digital. Because it's better. Mu ha ha ha ... let the madness begin! :twisted:

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:16 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
Digital. Because it's better. Mu ha ha ha ... let the madness begin! :twisted:


In the future humans will have mechanical eye balls inserted into the back of their heads. The frontal eye balls will lose their vividness but the implants in the back will provide all of the past information (nostaglia) that is sufficient for reintroduction of information, thus surpassing the brain's predominate capabilities. :P


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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:19 pm
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Tube amps for guitar, CDs and DVD audio for listening to music.

For me there is nothing like a good tube amp for the sweetest tones from a guitar. I don't fault those that prefer solid state, or digital modeling amps, some can be very good.

First gen CDs weren't the best that they could have been, newer CDs are much better, and particularly the remastered are terrific. The Gold Ultra-Discs beat vinyl in every way, for one the CDs have no hiss/pops and all of the warmth of vinyl. Some CD players aren't the best either, immediately converting the digital recording to analog, with less than stellar DA converters, causes some loss of fidelity. I use a digital CD player, with digital optical output, and a digital stereo amp with digital optical inputs, which makes a big difference when listening to digital recordings. Nothing like a great surround stereo for music (I have 5.1), and a good DTS audio recording in surround is the best. :D

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:22 pm
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JimRussellMills30! wrote:
Which camp do you fall in, analog music (vinyl, tube amp) or digital music (CD, solid-state amp), or somewhere in between? :?:


Solid state amps are analog. Effects found on solid state or tube amps may be digital, but the amplifier is absolutely analog.


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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:26 pm
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arth1 wrote:
JimRussellMills30! wrote:
Which camp do you fall in, analog music (vinyl, tube amp) or digital music (CD, solid-state amp), or somewhere in between? :?:


Solid state amps are analog. Effects found on solid state or tube amps may be digital, but the amplifier is absolutely analog.


Yes, you are correct, so what do you prefer? :P


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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:51 pm
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All in all I have a preference for the warmth of an analogue amp tone over a digital as a matter of fact I am about to replace my 35 year old solid state Hitachi stereo amplifier with a 45 year old Pioneer,Rotel,Crown or some other vintage amp.There's an electronics guy who lives about 1/2 hours drive from me who buys up burnt out etc. vintage stereo gear and sells it for really super low prices such as the vintage Rotel 100W tuner/amplifier that he now has for sale for $60 but a Pioneer amp of the same vintage will cost you about $90-$100,a 200W + Marantz may cost you $150.

Even though I have S/S, hybrid and tube amps,my go to amps are usually the tube amps due to their "earthy" tones and ability to produce nice smooth overdrive tones.Most of my S/S amps are of really good quality and have a very tube-like warmth to them such as my Vox Pathfinder 15R and especially my '81 Traynor TS-15 which was the result of a 6 year development project by Pete Traynor to produce a S/S amp that sounded and behaved like a tube amp-surprisingly he succeeded with flying colours but even more surprising was the fact that the amps didn't sell well at all and were discontinued after only 2 or 3 years of production,I intend to buy up every TS series amp that I come across because in a blindfold test they are indistinguishable from a tube amp.Every seasoned musician who has heard my little amp yet has guessed that it was a tube amp when demoed next to a Peavey S/S amp.Both my hybrid amps are Vox and consequently they are very convincingly tube sounding in their tube models,that's because unlike most other hybrids,Vox puts the tube in the power amp section,which gives the amp are more organic tube amp output.

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:01 pm
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There is no such thing as digital music.
All music is analog.
There is a such thing as digitally recording analog music but there is no digital music.
Just digital recordings of analog music which when played back are played back in analog.
Even synthesizers, which generate sounds digitally still send their signal to a device which converts it into analog so you can hear it.
Modems, cash registers, square wave beeps, it's all analog if you can hear it.
Human ears do not have the ability to capture or process digital signals.
Sound is analog. That's why there is a DAC. Always.


Now, if you really want to get into this and discuss sampling rates, digital distortion and the high noise floor inherent in digital recordings .... well, that would be an undertaking, for sure. You'd have to be very nice to me to entice me into that amount of work. I drink Rye by the way. Gibson's Finest 18 year old Rare.

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:11 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
There is no such thing as digital music.

MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface

I programmed this MIDI file in Finale, a computer program. All the instrument 'voices' are digital, and can be changed by just selecting a different 'instrument'. There's just nothing analog about anything involved in making this:


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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:48 am
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Unless your ears can convert 1s and 0s into a signal understandable to ears and unless real instruments produce 1s and 0s, no there is no such thing as music. MIDI is a digital interface, makes the analog sounds into digital numbers. Then reads the digital numbers back and plays them as an analog sound through speakers. But what you hear will be analog, otherwise you wouldn't be able to hear it ;)

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:10 am
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Good point BMW-KTM. From most any instrument, like a guitar, you'll get an analog signal, and any type of signal, once put through speakers, becomes analog.

My part of this discussion is referring to the media/recording, whether digital or analog.

Interestingly, even digital media comes in a variety of forms, denoted by three separate parts, 1) the original master, 2) the mixing, and 3) the final, sometimes noted by three letters somewhere on the label such as AAD, ADD, DAD, or DDD. I can't recall seeing/hearing any DAD, though it's possible. Obviously earlier CDs were all AAD, actually made from something like a fifth generation (a copy of a copy of a copy....) analog tapes (poorest sounding CDs). Many later CDs moved to ADD and DDD. The first all digital, DDD, recordings that I had were "Power Windows" and "Hold Your Fire" by Rush, and although noticeably better CDs, I couldn't really appreciate them fully until I got a digital CD player. There have also been many "remastered" CDs, using the original master recordings, which made a much better sounding CD than the first iteration.

Then came the Ultra Discs, which used gold instead of aluminum for the media, the gold allowing more of the signal to be processed, having a richer/fuller sound, with the warmth of vinyl and no loss of fidelity due to the vinyl format. The Ultra Disc used the original master recording instead of a copy of the master, for the best possible recording, and coupled with the use of gold made for some fantastic music, that had much better fidelity than vinyl. I only wish that there were more Ultra Discs of artists that I like, I only have a very few, maybe ten. Dark Side of the Moon, Moving Pictures, Slowhand, for a few examples, all sound wonderful on Ultra Disc.

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:22 am
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strings10927 wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
There is no such thing as digital music.

MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface

I programmed this MIDI file in Finale, a computer program. All the instrument 'voices' are digital, and can be changed by just selecting a different 'instrument'. There's just nothing analog about anything involved in making this: ....


Once the sound is put through speakers, it's analog, which is what BMW-KTM related.

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:30 am
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shimmilou wrote:
[Once the sound is put through speakers, it's analog, which is what BMW-KTM related.

what if they are digital speakers with a digital audio interface? Like this:

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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:06 am
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Interesting how someone can hijack the topic and take it into a completely different direction.
The topic was wheather you prefer vinyls vs. CD's or tube amps vs. solid state.


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Post subject: Re: Analog Vs. Digital
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:51 am
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As i have said many times, Vinyl sounds better then these overly compressed junk Cd's. Sadly many young people have never had the pleasure of hearing it.

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