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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:50 pm
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The Banshees were a punk band, thats how they started. As for the differences between 1st and 2nd wave of punk, you're hit an miss on that too. 77 was largely a fashion statement. It didn't start with The Ramones at all. Iggy, Cocksparrer, The Stranglers all predate The Ramones as playing punk. Cocksparrer date to 72 as a proper OI band. But the 77 lot (in the UK at least) aside from the likes of Sham69, The Upstarts, Chelsea and The Lurkers, were a fashion statement that latched onto a feeling. The Clash, Damned, Pistols. Much the same as The Dolls.
As for them other bands, nah I'd rather not listen to them. Joy Division were utter garbage to say the least. As for the Smiths, nothing more than a stylized cloudy reflection of the Joy Division. And the Cure, maybe I'll listen to em if I ever start HRT. If anything was post punk, you'd probably find it on Stiff records. Not Factory. Dury, Costello, 9Below0.
And you summed it up in your statement about record companies dividing the genre. Well they never divided punk. They may have divided a bunch of boring have a goes, Bauhaus, Mary Chain etc. But real punk, as we know it today emerged in 82 around Stoke On Trent but formed in 77. With the aid of a record company that was much more than a bloke in his kitchen. Now ask yourself why, why did a band not 30 miles from the home of Factory records emerge playing very fast, very aggressive, lyrically barren music at the height of what you call post punk?

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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:02 am
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[quote="yodacaster"]"Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound
Funny, but it's still rock and roll to me"

I like that!

What did they call The Cult, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, and such bands back in the day?
I suppose they would be called Gothic today.

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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:31 am
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The Banshees were a punk band, thats how they started. As for the differences between 1st and 2nd wave of punk, you're hit an miss on that too. 77 was largely a fashion statement. It didn't start with The Ramones at all. Iggy, Cocksparrer, The Stranglers all predate The Ramones as playing punk. Cocksparrer date to 72 as a proper OI band. But the 77 lot (in the UK at least) aside from the likes of Sham69, The Upstarts, Chelsea and The Lurkers, were a fashion statement that latched onto a feeling. The Clash, Damned, Pistols. Much the same as The Dolls.
As for them other bands, nah I'd rather not listen to them. Joy Division were utter garbage to say the least. As for the Smiths, nothing more than a stylized cloudy reflection of the Joy Division. And the Cure, maybe I'll listen to em if I ever start HRT. If anything was post punk, you'd probably find it on Stiff records. Not Factory. Dury, Costello, 9Below0.
And you summed it up in your statement about record companies dividing the genre. Well they never divided punk. They may have divided a bunch of boring have a goes, Bauhaus, Mary Chain etc. But real punk, as we know it today emerged in 82 around Stoke On Trent but formed in 77. With the aid of a record company that was much more than a bloke in his kitchen. Now ask yourself why, why did a band not 30 miles from the home of Factory records emerge playing very fast, very aggressive, lyrically barren music at the height of what you call post punk?



"Real punk as you know it today" isn't punk. You're talking about the evolution into hardcore which isn't punk. At all. The Banshees weren't punk. In the end, call it whatever you like. Core kids are ridiculous. They were ridiculous in the 80's. They're even more ridiculous now.

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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:12 pm
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Dolores wrote:
yodacaster wrote:
"Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound
Funny, but it's still rock and roll to me"

I like that!

What did they call The Cult, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, and such bands back in the day?
I suppose they would be called Gothic today.


Rock didn't start to get fragmented until the 70's, with New Wave and Alternative Rock. Radio stations like KROQ in L.A. sprang up to cater to a slightly younger listener. When they first came out, The Police and Elvis Costello were considered Alternative acts. Sabbath and Alice Cooper would have just been considered hard rock. I don't remember hearing the term Metal Rock until a few years later. Prior to the 70's, the only subgenres I remember were, folk rock, bubble gum (top 40), Motown, and a few bands that were pushing a little country into their rock. I'm old enough to remember when all of these styles were played on the same radio stations.

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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:15 am
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Fascinating thread. Been a bit stuck in the past were punk is concerned but what is considered to be a modern punk band?


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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:49 am
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Drew365 wrote:
Dolores wrote:
What did they call The Cult, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, and such bands back in the day?
I suppose they would be called Gothic today.


Rock didn't start to get fragmented until the 70's, with New Wave and Alternative Rock. Radio stations like KROQ in L.A. sprang up to cater to a slightly younger listener. When they first came out, The Police and Elvis Costello were considered Alternative acts. Sabbath and Alice Cooper would have just been considered hard rock. I don't remember hearing the term Metal Rock until a few years later. Prior to the 70's, the only subgenres I remember were, folk rock, bubble gum (top 40), Motown, and a few bands that were pushing a little country into their rock. I'm old enough to remember when all of these styles were played on the same radio stations.


In Europe, music like what Black Sabbath and Deep Purple produced was known as Heavy Rock, before the "heavy metal" moniker arrived from the West with Steppenwolf's lyrics ("heavy metal thunder..."). Ironically, Steppenwolf was considered Hard Rock, not Heavy Rock.

Here in the US, there doesn't seem to be that divide between "Heavy Rock" (slow, bass based) and "Hard Rock" (fast, lead based), and both tend to fall into the "Heavy Metal" bucket, and, as you say, didn't really have any categorization at all to start with.


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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:19 pm
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Cris1997 wrote:
Fascinating thread. Been a bit stuck in the past were punk is concerned but what is considered to be a modern punk band?


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Three of the most prominent and best bands of the past few years (rest of link incoming)

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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 12:57 am
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Floyd, listened to those vid's and they sounded like punk. If post punk is "after" punk, I'll guess those bands are post all of those first punk bands but punk all the same. Thanks for posting. 8)

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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:32 am
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Like they say, "taste" is a subjective thing. :P

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Interesting posts and opinions on what constitutes "punk."

My own definition is considerably broader. I think the whole idea of punk was to reject getting stuck with labels and go in whatever direction you wanted. That's still the one I subscribe to.

Putting things in neat little boxes and saying "this is punk" or "this isn't punk" is the domain of critics and Monday morning quarterbacks. Most of the punks I know would spit in the face of anyone else telling them where they fit in.

Nuts to genres.


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Post subject: Re: "Post-Punk" genre
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:08 pm
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Why would anybody dislike the word, idea of "Genres". Grouping people together by say, body type is a primal necessity. :|


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JimRussellMills30! wrote:
Why would anybody dislike the word, idea of "Genres". Grouping people together by say, body type is a primal necessity. :|

Do you mean like calling other people fat?


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Why would anybody dislike the word, idea of "Genres".|

Which of the following won a Grammy for Hard Rock/Metal? :lol:

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