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Post subject: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:02 pm
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I've been trying to find something that can mimic a damped piano for electric guitar, er that can replicate the sound, be it digitally or analogy.I know you can play with other guitarists but it's not the same. I've seen sustain pedals but they can only do so much. Same goes for octave pedals. Same goes for harmonizer pedals. I wonder if there is something out that can sustain a couple notes, while another couple of notes are played, while yet another couple of notes are played, finally followed by another couple of notes, e.i. like a holding down the sustain pedal on a piano for multiple enharmonic notes. Maybe this pedal would have separate signals for the proceeding couple of notes while taking the first couple of notes to memory. Or special pickups paired with the present pickups that blend the couple notes together. Or maybe you would need two different inputs in this special guitar, connected to two special sustain/octave/harmonizer preset pedals into a special amp that has two inputs that are the same. Again, all I want is the couple of notes to follow each other, not be in unison. Any suggestions? :wink: :? :(


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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:29 pm
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The only part that I could follow was the damping, for which you can palm mute some strings while leaving other strings to ring out.

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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:54 pm
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My '65 Jaguar has a string mute,Is that the type of mute that you're talking about? With regard to holding notes,I have an early 80s Ibanez DM-1000 Digital Delay and that has a "Hold" function so with the delay engaged,I can hit with a footswitch and then play chord or pair of notes etc. and play along with them to the beat of the repeats.I'm not really sure if that's the kind of function you meant but it works pretty good with my delay.
Electro Harmonix has a new pedal called the Freeze which may be the type of thing that you're looking for,it has the capability of holding notes or chords infinitely as far as I can tell.

BTW I have seen a strange type of capo advertised in several guitar mags that can be configured to simulate finger positions for chords so that you can used your fretting hand for playing single notes while the capo frets the chord.It also can barre any number of strings while others ring open.

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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:21 pm
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The damping pedal on a piano has the opposite effect of what we guitarists call damping...our damping mutes the strings (palm mute or the mechanical string mute Guitslinger mentioned), but a piano's damping pedal does the opposite--it removes all "damps" from the strings and allows them to vibrate/sound/ring freely---almost like a guitarist who hits the stings of a guitar and allows the strings to ring until they quit vibrating.

The Freeze pedal mentioned earlier is a good idea, but the way I read the post, it seems he wants the notes to linger for a couple of beats, but no more...I don't think a Freeze would work...maybe a delay with some pretty extensive tweaking capabilities?

It's hard to tell; articulation, syntax, punctuation and sentence structure are not the OP's friend. (As evidenced by another thread earlier this week)...perhaps English is not his native tongue? I don't mean for that to sound snotty or rude, I just can't wrap my head around what he wants.

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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:45 pm
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A sustain (damping) pedal for guitar would make all the notes sustain for however long you pushed down on it, then when you lifted your foot up, the notes would cease to sustain. That's how it works on a piano. Say if you're playing in C, you press down and all the notes sustain. Then you go to C#, so you lift up so the notes from C don't bleed over, then you can press down again and make all the C# notes sustain for as little or as long as you want.


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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:55 pm
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Guitars have sustain on by default. You have to dampen the strings yourself.

If you want to mimic how a piano works, place a narrow piece of hard felt over the strings just north of the bridge saddles. If you want the strings to ring, lift it. If you want more dampening, slide it towards the neck.
I don't think there's any pedal that does this for you. And if there were, I certainly wouldn't recommend it just to hear "no, that is not what I want".


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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:28 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Guitars have sustain on by default. You have to dampen the strings yourself

You make a good point.


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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:15 am
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Hi Jim, are we talking a Brian May (twin delay chorus) type of effect, if not, is it a sound you have heard somewhere, could you post a sample.


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I suggest learning to play keyboards.

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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:15 pm
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Highline wrote:
A sustain (damping) pedal for guitar would make all the notes sustain for however long you pushed down on it, then when you lifted your foot up, the notes would cease to sustain. That's how it works on a piano. Say if you're playing in C, you press down and all the notes sustain. Then you go to C#, so you lift up so the notes from C don't bleed over, then you can press down again and make all the C# notes sustain for as little or as long as you want.


Actually, I do want to let the notes "bleed over". I know this is technically incorrect on a piano to damp chords together but anyway. :oops:


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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:59 pm
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Is this another thread where you think of a guitar sound, describe it badly then expect everyone to search the internet for you while you sit there rejecting suggestions?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=92239

You seem to have gotten bored of that thread, maybe you could bump it when you get bored of this one.

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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:13 pm
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GilgaFrank wrote:
Is this another thread where you think of a guitar sound, describe it badly then expect everyone to search the internet for you while you sit there rejecting suggestions?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=92239

You seem to have gotten bored of that thread, maybe you could bump it when you get bored of this one.


Oh, well that previous thread about the pitch transposing was a legit question, 'nuff said. This one probably is just question that was non-legit, at least not yet. :)


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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:30 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Guitars have sustain on by default. You have to dampen the strings yourself.

If you want to mimic how a piano works, place a narrow piece of hard felt over the strings just north of the bridge saddles. If you want the strings to ring, lift it. If you want more dampening, slide it towards the neck.
I don't think there's any pedal that does this for you. And if there were, I certainly wouldn't recommend it just to hear "no, that is not what I want".


Point well taken, I wish there were special pickups/guitar that will pickup the first notes or chords, keep the sustain, play the next notes or chords, keep that sustain over the previous notes or chords. Maybe a guitar that has 10 strings or something. :wink:


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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:43 pm
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It seems to me that an autoharp or zither may be more suited to what you are looking for in a guitar.With either of these you can let any number of notes ring while you play others.I have an old Oscar Schmidt Autoharp and it's a great instrument once you get used to the way it works-it's great for playing Lovin' Spoonful songs.

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Post subject: Re: Damping Piano Effect For Guitar?
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:57 pm
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I think I found that the auto-harp cannot continuously damp multiple chords played one right after the other, the alpine zither would have to be alternatively tuned (the accompaniment and bass part) to the diads that I would be playing. Certain strings could be muted somehow (in the accompaniment and bass part) or completely taken off in order to play the right strings at the right time. The guitar zither would basically have to be tuned like the alpine zither but with 25 melody strings and 24 chord strings. In the end there seems to be a lot of constrictions. Anyone ready for an upright harp! :roll:


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