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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM is such a disappointment lately
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:14 am
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Artificially rolled fretboard edges, lightweight tuners, "modern voiced" pick ups, greasebucket tone circuits, S-1 switches, aren't upgrades in my opinion. They dilute what is probably the single most influential instrument on modern music as we know it.

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Personally, I am glad I have "artificially" rolled fretboard edges whenever I run my hand up and down the neck on my American Tele without fear of cutting myself like on the Mexican issue.

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If I wanted that type of nonsense I'd play one of those boutique knock offs that clowns pay 3k dollars for. Again, that's a matter of taste I suppose.


Not calling fellow musicians clowns isn't a matter of taste, it's a matter of manners.


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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM is such a disappointment lately
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:12 am
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arth1 wrote:
TheKingofPain wrote:
Artificially rolled fretboard edges, lightweight tuners, "modern voiced" pick ups, greasebucket tone circuits, S-1 switches, aren't upgrades in my opinion. They dilute what is probably the single most influential instrument on modern music as we know it.

The drum?
Personally, I am glad I have "artificially" rolled fretboard edges whenever I run my hand up and down the neck on my American Tele without fear of cutting myself like on the Mexican issue.

TheKingofPain wrote:
If I wanted that type of nonsense I'd play one of those boutique knock offs that clowns pay 3k dollars for. Again, that's a matter of taste I suppose.


Not calling fellow musicians clowns isn't a matter of taste, it's a matter of manners.



The drum is possibly the most influential instrument in music. It's impact was long felt before modern music as we know it. Much like the guitar and it's ancestors. The introduction of a production run electric bass changed the way not only that instrument was utilized. It also changed the way bands could play and how easy an instrument it was to pick up.

As far as the comfort of artificially rolled necks there are those who prefer to "roll their own". Not all American made Fenders come with rolled edges. It's a boutique appointment. As far as cutting your hands on sharp frets that has nothing to do with rolling the edges of a fretboard. Rolling the fretboard edges refers to rounding the wood on the fingerboard to resemble an instrument with years of play on it. What you are refering to is having cleanly dressed frets.

As far as the way I talk about people. Considering some of the posts I've seen you throw around here lately you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on manners. I'll say what I like. You don't have to like it. I really could care less.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM is such a disappointment lately
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:42 am
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TheKingofPain wrote:
As far as the comfort of artificially rolled necks there are those who prefer to "roll their own". Not all American made Fenders come with rolled edges. It's a boutique appointment. As far as cutting your hands on sharp frets that has nothing to do with rolling the edges of a fretboard. Rolling the fretboard edges refers to rounding the wood on the fingerboard to resemble an instrument with years of play on it. What you are refering to is having cleanly dressed frets.

I was talking about the fretboard edge too. Why did you think I wasn't?


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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM is such a disappointment lately
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:53 am
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arth1 wrote:
TheKingofPain wrote:
As far as the comfort of artificially rolled necks there are those who prefer to "roll their own". Not all American made Fenders come with rolled edges. It's a boutique appointment. As far as cutting your hands on sharp frets that has nothing to do with rolling the edges of a fretboard. Rolling the fretboard edges refers to rounding the wood on the fingerboard to resemble an instrument with years of play on it. What you are refering to is having cleanly dressed frets.

I was talking about the fretboard edge too. Why did you think I wasn't?



Because I'd find it hard to believe you've actually cut yourself on the finished wood on the edge of the neck on a guitar. That seems like an absolutely ludicrous statement. I assumed you were talking about cutting yourself on a fret. Which is what people usually complain about. Rolling a fingerboard edge has ZERO impact on that. Actually, if you roll the edge and don't dress the fret it actually makes the problem worse. If you'd like an example there is a brand new 2009 American P bass at a local shop in town that sits there because it's frets are poorly dressed, but the edges are rolled. It's awful to play. I can't ever imagine anyone buying it because you can literally grab a Squier off the wall next to it and it will play better. Much less the MIM Roadworn bass that plays like an absolute dream.

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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM is such a disappointment lately
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:15 pm
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I have been saying this for years. I think China has surpassed Mexico in building guitars. The Squiers are defiantly not USA quality but are insanely good buys for the price.

One thing I have been impressed with from Mexico is the build of amps, especially for the price. My Super Champ X2 is top notch. I keep coming by MIA amps that have major problems. Not to say MIM don't have problems but I find less so then the MIA amps. (Before someone jumps at me this has been my honest luck with USA Fender amps.)


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Post subject: Re: Fender MIM is such a disappointment lately
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:25 pm
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somethingelse11 wrote:
I have been saying this for years. I think China has surpassed Mexico in building guitars. The Squiers are defiantly not USA quality but are insanely good buys for the price.

One thing I have been impressed with from Mexico is the build of amps, especially for the price. My Super Champ X2 is top notch. I keep coming by MIA amps that have major problems. Not to say MIM don't have problems but I find less so then the MIA amps. (Before someone jumps at me this has been my honest luck with USA Fender amps.)



Picking up a random Fender "modern player" instrument might make you rethink that. These chinese made Fenders used to be branded Squiers. They are a crapshoot to say the least. I've picked up three of the same model. The first two were not very well put together. However, that third one blew me away. A serious amount of bass for the money. I was genuinely impressed with it.

The reality is that a lot of what you pay for with the different tiers of instruments is QC in addition to labor and components. To think that craftsmen in other countries don't do as fine of work is absurd. The simple fact is that the bad work only rarely makes it off the American lines because they have much tighter controls in place. Those controls require bodies. That costs money. There are bad eggs in every line. There always will be. That's the nature of mass production. You can design your process only so tightly before you cross the line and start failing the CBA. There are great instruments in every line, too. It doesn't matter where they are made.


In regards to the amps. I haven't had much experience with foreign amps other than a small Peavy practice amp I picked up second hand and keep kicking around so I don't have to deal with my rig for practicing in the house. (which is really nice and I have no complaints at all with it.)

However, in terms of passive cabinets other than the different capabilities in terms of handling wattage and ohm rating. I find it hard to believe that my older series Fender Pro 115 cabs were really that much of a bargain compared to their Bassman series counterparts. I got them because of their capabilities, but I'd think the older Bassman series cabs were made plenty durable and I've heard them used and know they sound just fine. So I'm not sure outside of what I paid for in terms of capability that my money was really that well spent. I know there is better wood, ect used in the construction. However, I'm not sure all that is really justified in what you actually pay in real cost. Meaning at the average bar or club gig I don't really think it translates as much as many of us would like to think. I know younger guys who have been gigging those old bassman cabs and combos in punk bands and most of them picked them up second hand. They still work dependably for them, and they sound good to me.

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