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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:29 pm
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Watch what happens when you tell certain producers that. They're very proud of their systems. They've spent a lot on their plugins.

I'm not going to say that all plugins are bad. The problem comes around when a producer or engineer is searching for a sound they might hear in their heads and are not quite sure which plugin to use. Now instead of recording tracks, he's rifling through a couple hundred sounds that may be close with a little tweaking. The the tweaking commences, and it becomes an hour of finding a sound for one part on one song. Then a track gets recorded and there's more tweaking and rifling, and experimenting, and it goes on and on.

If you're paying for studio time, screw that. That's straight up BS. But happens a lot, and it's becoming a habit that's happening more and more these days. Let's say you're paying $20/hr for a session. You just paid $10 for a crashed Protools to re-boot. Ridiculous. I could have bought a pizza with that.

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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:02 pm
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Ah yes, hearing a sound in your head is all very well if you know how to get that sound or how to communicate your ideas to another musician. Otherwise they tend to disappear into half an hour of fiddling with presets and menus and achieving nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily spend half a day tweaking a synth preset. Not on someone else's time though. And certainly not when I'm paying for studio time, that's what preproduction time is for.

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:29 pm
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The guy that did the Haleamano-House Of Sharks album was freaking great!!

He hadn't done a Reggae album before, but he's more of a traditionalist. He preferred us to bring our everyday equipment with us. He wanted everyone to use what you use every day, every practice, every show. He encouraged you to be comfortable with the gear you have and to be what you are in the moment. He has no problems recording bands in a live sense if they want. Bring your stuff, go and flow.

That album was recorded with a Yamaha AW2400 and edited with Protools minimally. You could count the amount of plugins used on one hand.

Want three different sounds to choose from? Bring it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:49 pm
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plugins are so much easier to use. its 2014 get used to it you bunch of geezers :P

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:53 pm
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nicebassbro wrote:
plugins are so much easier to use. its 2014 get used to it you bunch of geezers :P

This from a guy who slams MIM Fenders and claims that American made Fender basses aren't any better than a Squier.
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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:55 pm
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SKcoppertele wrote:
I've recorded with plugins maybe twice. Both where experimental projects. For real recording, I'll stick to my fender, my egnater, and a mic or two. Layer them up, and Tada, tone heaven. And I can add as many effects in front of the amp/interface as I want, and it won't slow my computer. I dont care about the quality of your computer or your program, there is no substitute for the sound of hot glowing tubes. 8)


again, i have to disagree. the tone modeling effects they have out there are un real. and you dont always need an interface either. just get an amp modeling pedal and you are good to go. I do see your point, however if you aren't a dumbass and know how to mess with frequency's you can get an awesome sounding bass or guitar sound by using digital interfaces. just saying

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:02 pm
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nicebassbro wrote:
SKcoppertele wrote:
I've recorded with plugins maybe twice. Both where experimental projects. For real recording, I'll stick to my fender, my egnater, and a mic or two. Layer them up, and Tada, tone heaven. And I can add as many effects in front of the amp/interface as I want, and it won't slow my computer. I dont care about the quality of your computer or your program, there is no substitute for the sound of hot glowing tubes. 8)


again, i have to disagree. the tone modeling effects they have out there are un real. and you dont always need an interface either. just get an amp modeling pedal and you are good to go. I do see your point, however if you aren't a dumbass and know how to mess with frequency's you can get an awesome sounding bass or guitar sound by using digital interfaces. just saying

Yes, plugins have their place, but due to your incessant contrarianism, methinks thou art a troll. Begone!

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:03 pm
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SKcoppertele wrote:
("keep it cool sk... Its not worth the argument")

Well I'm sorry you feel that way. Someday you will learn. :wink:

Attaboy, SuperKid! You're on your way!

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:04 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
nicebassbro wrote:
plugins are so much easier to use. its 2014 get used to it you bunch of geezers :P

This from a guy who slams MIM Fenders and claims that American made Fender basses aren't any better than a Squier.
:? :|


for one second, put aside the name. I am just coming at you from real life experiences. the top end squier basses are really really nice. I had an am std and an am deluxe jazz bass. the standard was awesome. i cant complain...however i just found that the difference in sound and play-ability were so small that i actually prefer the sound of my squier over my made in am jazz bass. maybe i just have a different ear than you, but ive done quite a few recordings and people tell me they sound great. i really believe when you buy Fender in most cases you are paying for the name...paying for stuff to be made in america. which i am all for, there should be a lot more things made in the USA. I am just saying...really compare a high end squier next to a mia fender next time you are in a music store. and dont do it with a chip on your shoulder thinking that squier is the underdog, compare them as equals and you will see that yeah, the MIA might have a bit of an edge, but not enough to spend all the money on it especially when you can put it to other equipment that will better you.

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:11 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
nicebassbro wrote:
SKcoppertele wrote:
I've recorded with plugins maybe twice. Both where experimental projects. For real recording, I'll stick to my fender, my egnater, and a mic or two. Layer them up, and Tada, tone heaven. And I can add as many effects in front of the amp/interface as I want, and it won't slow my computer. I dont care about the quality of your computer or your program, there is no substitute for the sound of hot glowing tubes. 8)


again, i have to disagree. the tone modeling effects they have out there are un real. and you dont always need an interface either. just get an amp modeling pedal and you are good to go. I do see your point, however if you aren't a dumbass and know how to mess with frequency's you can get an awesome sounding bass or guitar sound by using digital interfaces. just saying

Yes, plugins have their place, but due to your incessant contrarianism, methinks thou art a troll. Begone!


I am a troll because i have a different opinion? $@!&.. because i am not scared to say my personal experiences with Fender and squier. hmmm this makes a lot of sense. I am just speaking from experience man. I have no problems with how people do things and i respect every musician no matter what they do. Play Fender, play gibson, play PRS, play musicman, which are amazing basses. I think you can get just as good of a sound through digital recording as you can through analog. you just have to know what you are doing.

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:23 pm
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nicebassbro wrote:
Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
nicebassbro wrote:
plugins are so much easier to use. its 2014 get used to it you bunch of geezers :P

This from a guy who slams MIM Fenders and claims that American made Fender basses aren't any better than a Squier.
:? :|


for one second, put aside the name. I am just coming at you from real life experiences. the top end squier basses are really really nice. I had an am std and an am deluxe jazz bass. the standard was awesome. i cant complain...however i just found that the difference in sound and play-ability were so small that i actually prefer the sound of my squier over my made in am jazz bass. maybe i just have a different ear than you, but ive done quite a few recordings and people tell me they sound great. i really believe when you buy Fender in most cases you are paying for the name...paying for stuff to be made in america. which i am all for, there should be a lot more things made in the USA. I am just saying...really compare a high end squier next to a mia fender next time you are in a music store. and dont do it with a chip on your shoulder thinking that squier is the underdog, compare them as equals and you will see that yeah, the MIA might have a bit of an edge, but not enough to spend all the money on it especially when you can put it to other equipment that will better you.

I own a MIM Fender Tele, a MIA Fender Strat, two MIA G&L's, two Korean-made Fender acoustics, a Japanese Ampeg bass, a God-knows-where-it-was-made (possibly China) Dean Chrome G Resonator and another Epiphone of Asian origin. My guitar room is like the United Nations of Axes. I love them all, but the MIM Tele is far and away my favorite.
I don't look at labels. I judge a guitar by it's feel, tone, build quality and looks (in that order)...
...however, for you to insult people who are using tried-and-true recording methods over a newer, more complicated, more time consuming and more sterile-sounding (as well as nowhere nearly perfected) plugin method is extremely short-sighted of you, as well as somewhat condescendingly arrogant.

No one said that plugins didn't have their place (myself included), but for you to call anyone who prefers a more traditional method a "geezer" or a "dumbass" is either trolling, stupid or both (especially since one of the people defending the old way is a teenager).

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:26 pm
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I am not trying to be a troll man. I respect and love Fender and Squier. I am just giving you my opinions based on my life experiences. its not meant to go against the grind. I am just being honest. which usually always seems to get me into trouble. All i am saying is i am not looking for trouble, i am not looking to make enemies, i am just expressing my opinions and experiences.

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:35 pm
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I own a MIM Fender Tele, a MIA Fender Strat, two MIA G&L's, two Korean-made Fender acoustics, a Japanese Ampeg bass, a God-knows-where-it-was-made (possibly China) Dean Chrome G Resonator and another Epiphone of Asian origin. My guitar room is like the United Nations of Axes. I love them all, but the MIM Tele is far and away my favorite.
I don't look at labels. I judge a guitar by it's feel, tone, build quality and looks (in that order)...
...however, for you to insult people who are using tried-and-true recording methods over a newer, more complicated, more time consuming and more sterile-sounding (as well as nowhere nearly perfected) plugin method is extremely short-sighted of you, as well as somewhat condescendingly arrogant.

No one said that plugins didn't have their place (myself included), but for you to call anyone who prefers a more traditional method a "geezer" or a "dumbass" is either trolling, stupid or both (especially since one of the people defending the old way is a teenager).[/quote]

yeah, the geezer thing was a joke. I probably should have specified that. hence i put the razz thing after it. lol I think you are talking what im saying way too personally. There is nothing wrong with doing things the good old way. I mean the title of this post is "Plug in Torture" Makes it sound like using plug ins is a bad thing. idk man, like i said in my recent post..I am not trying to make enemies here.

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:36 pm
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nicebassbro wrote:
plugins are so much easier to use. its 2014 get used to it you bunch of geezers :P


Actually, they aren't. And I don't want you to take this in any way other than logically. If you have to tweak a pedal, you have to equally tweak a plugin it's modeled after. And the same goes for any piece of equipment a plugin is modeled after.

The real reason the popularity is growing is due to space saving and cost efficiency at the expense of a lesser quality than having all of those original expensive pieces of equipment. Plugins become a "the audience won't notice the difference" alternative. It's a mentality that separates the men from the boys. I've recorded in the most expensive studio in Vegas before and seen the racks of real deal equipment fired up and in action. Didn't see a plugin used in that place.

Those "geezers" really knew how to throw down some tracks. Lady Gaga one week, Santana the next.

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Post subject: Re: Plugin torture
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:40 pm
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We all have opinions, and that's fine, but to discount/downgrade/ridicule everyone else's opinions while stating your own is arrogance incarnate.

You like digital technology, plugins and Squiers. Cool! If it works for you, great!

But to say that anyone who prefers tubes, tapes and higher-end instruments is foolish, stupid or a Luddite is wrong is arrogant and trollish.

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