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Post subject: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:00 pm
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I have questions about tweed tolex. I have some left over from covering a cab and thought I would use it to make some joke gifts, like a wallet or a tie for my guitar geek brother.

My friend who is way more into gear said that tolex is sprayed with something that makes it hazardous to skin? He tried to convince me that it is sprayed with a sound deadening chemical that irritates human skin. I told him he was full of baloney but he insisted. He sourced some third party tweed tolex from china and said there was a warning that came with it.

I don't know if he is referring to the yellow lacquer or what.

Is this True, false or ridiculous?


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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:31 pm
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I would say it is BS. If it was that toxic they wouldn't be allowed to sell it or put it onto something that is sold here. Lacquer is not toxic once it is dried...now spraying it without proper PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) would be dangerous over time. Also the glue used to way back in the day was also dangerous over time...and in fact was the undoing of Sam Hutton of Fender Cabinet fame.

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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:08 pm
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Tweed Tolex isn't Tweed at all ('course then neither was the 'true' Tweed... it was cotton).

Tweed Tolex is not lacquered at all. It likely has a finish on it, but no way is it toxic (unless maybe you ate it).

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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:48 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
I would say it is BS. If it was that toxic they wouldn't be allowed to sell it or put it onto something that is sold here. Lacquer is not toxic once it is dried...now spraying it without proper PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) would be dangerous over time. Also the glue used to way back in the day was also dangerous over time...and in fact was the undoing of Sam Hutton of Fender Cabinet fame.



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Tweed Tolex isn't Tweed at all ('course then neither was the 'true' Tweed... it was cotton).

Tweed Tolex is not lacquered at all. It likely has a finish on it, but no way is it toxic (unless maybe you ate it).


+1 on all points for both responses.

Tweed is a cotton/polyester blend, much like rip-stop poplin. Contemporary tweed weaves are coated with fabric sizing, like most common textiles. There's nothing toxic about it, it merely provides the fabric with some rigidity for ease of handling as the material worked. Tweed is a bit coarse for use as true clothing but behaves well when used as an outer lining for belts, guitar straps, wallets, key fobs, and the like.

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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:51 pm
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And even if you ate it, as long as you get it to 165 degrees on a meat thermometer you're okay.


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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:09 pm
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upnorth wrote:
And even if you ate it, as long as you get it to 165 degrees on a meat thermometer you're okay.

+1 never eat undercooked tweed


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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:24 pm
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Welcome to the Forum FJ. An unconventional first post, "are Fender tweed amplifiers edible", you'll fit right in :lol: . There are many guitar guru's on this Forum, have fun here :D .

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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:01 pm
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fastjacket wrote:
He sourced some third party tweed tolex from china and said there was a warning that came with it.


This I would believe. Everything from china has lead or some other hazardous material as a main ingredient. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:50 am
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tbazzone wrote:
upnorth wrote:
And even if you ate it, as long as you get it to 165 degrees on a meat thermometer you're okay.

+1 never eat undercooked tweed


+1 but don't overcook it either, it gets tuff and loses it's seasoning!
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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:59 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Tweed is a cotton/polyester blend, much like rip-stop poplin.


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I bet most of us old-timers living in temperate to cold climates have tweed jackets, coats and/or hats, and know this to be false.

Tweed is a coarse woven wool fabric, usually with a two-shade weave. It predates polyester by quite a bit, and resembles poplin about as much as denim resembles silk satin. I.e. not much.
Because tweed is made from coarse woven wool, it provides warmth even when damp, and retains its shape better than most wool fabrics. The downside is that it doesn't stop wind well.


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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:14 am
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Properly, technically, pedantically, the type of fabric Fender uses is a twill, not a tweed. Tweed is a specific type of twill that's woven from wool. When other fibers are used, (like Fender's non-wool cloth covering), it's a twill. Denim is also a type of twill.

Peavey (and others) use a Tolex-type covering on some amps (Classic 30, Delta Blues) that simulate Fender twill. So there is a product that can roughly be called "tweed Tolex".

Tolex is a trademark for a material that consists of a textured rubber surface bonded to a coarse fabric backing. It was often used a an upholstery fabric so it's not particularly toxic, though some sensitive skin might possibly find it irritating.


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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:20 am
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Tweed is best cooked in a crock pot on low for 8 hrs with carrots and potatoes.


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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:03 am
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It's ok, as long as it doesn't have Red Dye #3, or Cyclamates in it. Also, if it were dangerous to your health, The Surgeon General would have a warning label on it. Image

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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:52 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
Properly, technically, pedantically, the type of fabric Fender uses is a twill, not a tweed. Tweed is a specific type of twill that's woven from wool. When other fibers are used, (like Fender's non-wool cloth covering), it's a twill. Denim is also a type of twill.

Peavey (and others) use a Tolex-type covering on some amps (Classic 30, Delta Blues) that simulate Fender twill. So there is a product that can roughly be called "tweed Tolex".

Tolex is a trademark for a material that consists of a textured rubber surface bonded to a coarse fabric backing. It was often used a an upholstery fabric so it's not particularly toxic, though some sensitive skin might possibly find it irritating.


Technically, a Twill vs. Tweed debate is Apples & Oranges.

This is because Tweed is a Fabric, a very specific fabric made of Wool yarn which has been rough spun similar to homespun or cheviot yarn, rougher and heavier than Serge. It's advantage is the ability to provide warmth, resist abrasion and to a lesser extent resist moisture.

Today, many fabrics are mistakenly referred to as Tweeds when they actually are not, such as the fabric covering many early Fender Amps.

Twill on the other hand is a type of Weave. Any yarn (or thread), Wool, Cotton, Silk or Synthetics can be woven into a Twill Weave where the weft crosses over two warp yarns, then under one. This sequence is repeated in each succeeding row, but shifted over one warp either to the left or right. In regular twill, the diagonal line is repeated regularly, usually running upward from left to right at a 45° angle.

The weave can be varied in many ways by changing the direction of the twill line (as in herringbone twill) or its angle. Twill is often used for clothing applications because it has stretch on both diagonals, which makes clothes comfortable even if closely fitted.

This ability to stretch/bend diagonally also makes it ideal for covering things like chests, boxes and cabinets (like Amp cabs) because it is easy to fit closely. The early Fender Amps are, more correctly, Twill covered. Varying the types of yarn used can give the object the ability to withstand quite a bit of abuse or wear.

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Post subject: Re: Tweed tolex query
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:10 am
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The OP's friend might have been right about his imported fabric from China though.

Often textiles are treated with formaldehyde when shipped across the ocean keep it from wrinkling, to prevent mildew and to discourage vermin from damaging it.

that's the real reason you should wash any new clothing.

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