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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:48 pm
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Sentry, you're much more critical of Epiphone over here than you are at the Epiphone forums...

Anyway, I'll say it again, I've never had any problems with my Casino. I have a friend with a stock Epiphone Les Paul Junior (the bolt-on, humbucker kind) and even that seems to be fairly nice, for being $100.

I don't believe you can really judge a guitar based on its setup... that's very much personal preference.


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pohatu771 wrote:
Sentry, you're much more critical of Epiphone over here than you are at the Epiphone forums...

Anyway, I'll say it again, I've never had any problems with my Casino. I have a friend with a stock Epiphone Les Paul Junior (the bolt-on, humbucker kind) and even that seems to be fairly nice, for being $100.

I don't believe you can really judge a guitar based on its setup... that's very much personal preference.


Part of that is being mindful of where I am posting, and it's not as if I hate my Epiphone.....

But if there is a legitimate issue here (and I have no reason to doubt that there is), shouldn't people be cautious?

I'm not stating that your neck is going to snap off any day now....the implication here is simply "Just be aware of this" and if you have to do adjustments and/or maintenance on the neck, take extra care.

To a degree? Yes, we get what we pay for. But if that wood is in fact NOT mahogany in the traditional sense that is being advertised, people have a right to know.

(even if it is some weirdo putting a post out there on a message forum.)

PS: I actually would prefer it at this point if I DID have a bolt on....at least at that point if there are any issues.....well, I can get the neck replaced. (Notice I didn't mention the LP-100 or the Special II, which I am still considering purchasing. Both are bolt on necks.)

And, this probably wouldn't bother me so much if 1) I had not spent so much time working on my guitar and 2) if something was available with a maple top in a left handed model. Nothing of the sort is being currently offered. (and believe it or not.....I do have some brand loyalty)


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Epiphones are excellent guitars. The wood, electronics and parts are cheaper quality. Thats one reason why they are cheaper. Now, if you want to dish out more money for an Epiphone Elitist then you are getting a superb guitar. The guitar is made in Japan but all the electronics and stuff are made in the USA.


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jkinnison90 wrote:
Epiphones are excellent guitars. The wood, electronics and parts are cheaper quality. Thats one reason why they are cheaper. Now, if you want to dish out more money for an Epiphone Elitist then you are getting a superb guitar. The guitar is made in Japan but all the electronics and stuff are made in the USA.


If the Elitist was available in a left handed model.....

I probably would have considered it before my Gibson Les Paul Studio.
Or, for that matter, any of the plain tops, the signatures, or the Les Paul Custom plus.

None of those are available in a left handed model. So if it's a general address, and those are maple topped guitars with some decent electronics...


Sure, check 'em out.

But if you're telling ME this....it's a lost cause. None of those nicer guitars are even available for someone like me.

The Epi LP custom (the one that was disputed and reported as having a neck made of agathis) is the top model they offer in a left handed version along with the Tony Iommi SG (which also has this issue with a "mahogany" set neck.


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I own an Epiphone Les Paul Plus. This is a great guitar. I upgraded pickups to 59 and JB. It came with Grovers and rarely goes out of tune. I could easily change the pots for what 15.00? I paid 500 for the guitar, 150 for pickups. 650 total investment.

A friend of mine has a Gibson LP 60s neck. Besides the headstock, looks are pretty similar. Sound wise, I honestly think that with my pickup upgrade, I am right there with his burstbuckers. We play two completely different amps, mine a Vox his Marshall, but I can get harmonics he can't touch.

I have played his several times, and yes it is nicer. It feels "tighter". However the difference is 1500.00!!!! Again with my upgrades ( and mind you the Epi pickups were very good) I am right there with him. Would I like a Gibson? Of course I would. Am I a professional guitarist? Not even close. Is it worth 1500 dollars more for a guitar that is pretty damn close to what I have? No way. Epiphones are great guitars. Stay away from the cheapies, buy midrange epis. Upgrade if you like, and you have an excellent guitar. I would buy another Epi in a heartbeat.


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The_Sentry wrote:
But if there is a legitimate issue here (and I have no reason to doubt that there is), shouldn't people be cautious?
With the nature of the Asian factories, it's hard to say if the agathis is an isolated incident or something that has happened daily over the past few years.

It's just like Matiac (or someone) said at Epiphone, anything within 30 days of the one he saw is high-risk for being agathis.


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Let me add one more thing as this really irritates me the more i read these posts. Epiphone LP is 500. Gibsons are running 2500. That is more than triple the price. People are complaining about pickups, tuning, spot fininsh differences? I would hope the Gibson is better. Compare this price difference to something else

New Chevy Silverado.....Nice damn truck for what 20 grand?

New Hummer, or Escalade....Very nice vehicle for what 55 60 grand?

Is the hummer going to have all the latest and greatest? yes
Does that diminish what a great vehicle the Silverado is? NO

i have posted before about the American strat that i bought. Bridge pickup did not work, would not stay in tune, had fret sprout. Yes I bought online, dumb. i was going to return for another but opted for a credit. Two years later I bought an MIM. No issues whatsoever, plays like a dream. Besides a possible pickup upgrade, i could not be happier. more expensive does not always guarantee a better product.


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pohatu771 wrote:
The_Sentry wrote:
But if there is a legitimate issue here (and I have no reason to doubt that there is), shouldn't people be cautious?
With the nature of the Asian factories, it's hard to say if the agathis is an isolated incident or something that has happened daily over the past few years.

It's just like Matiac (or someone) said at Epiphone, anything within 30 days of the one he saw is high-risk for being agathis.


Heh. I was the one who stated that.

And, to be honest? I played that Epi for about 2 hours today. I still like the guitar, and to a degree a piece of me has gone into it.

I guess the biggest thing about this that sort of bugs me (and I'm probably getting a bit repetitive....sorry) is that technically, as a leftie...

I bought the best model Epiphone had to offer in terms of a solid body electric guitar. And, it really jerked my chain to fathom (and it's probably the case with mine) that the wood is of a really cheap quality, and isn't exactly what should be construed as "mahogany"

A little honesty doesn't hurt now and then.

But 6 one half....not a lot I can do. It's still my workhorse as far as a humbucking guitar goes, and with upgrades it's worth over a 1000 dollars. I'm still entertaining upgrading it even further with not only genuine Gibson pots and bumblebee caps (really....sort of putting that off), and either green keys or schaller locking tuners so I have the grovers left over for that project guitar I mentioned on the Epiphone forums.

(I look at it this way....even if the neck explodes or whatever, I'll still have the hardware I can slap onto another guitar, right?)


PS: Redbird....

I bought the Epiphone as my travel/stage guitar. I did this to keep mileage off the Les Paul. Money wasn't the big issue...quality was.

I like the Epi, but please understand: I've got in my hands the best that company can offer at the current time. Whether it's one man's Chevy Caprice, it's technically my Lexus because they don't offer anything better for someone like me.

Just sayin'....


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I smell a Class Action law suit brewing.
I doubt that , hearing something from someone who was at
a shop and knows the owner would not go far . What they
call that is hear say.

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I have an Epi LP Classic Quilt Top- I like the guitar, and for the price I can't complain. I know the "quilt maple" top is really veneer, and that's ok since it doesn't mean the guitar is weaker structurally. However, and I don't know if the Classic would be one of the ones with a possible agathis neck (it wasn't on your list Sentry) - but now I admit, I'm a bit perturbed if it is.

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cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I smell a Class Action law suit brewing.
I doubt that , hearing something from someone who was at
a shop and knows the owner would not go far . What they
call that is hear say.


Well of course you couldn't base it on just that. On the other hand. if Epi is advertising mahogany necks and using a cheaper/weaker material, then there's the possibility of something legal happening.

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cryingstrat wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I smell a Class Action law suit brewing.
I doubt that , hearing something from someone who was at
a shop and knows the owner would not go far . What they
call that is hear say.


Well of course you couldn't base it on just that. On the other hand. if Epi is advertising mahogany necks and using a cheaper/weaker material, then there's the possibility of something legal happening.
I agree with you there cryingstrat but this rumor apears to come from another forum
and I just don't think that well respected companies such as Fender and Gibson would subject themself to such or allow their offshoot companies
to do so.

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cvilleira wrote:
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cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I smell a Class Action law suit brewing.
I doubt that , hearing something from someone who was at
a shop and knows the owner would not go far . What they
call that is hear say.


Well of course you couldn't base it on just that. On the other hand. if Epi is advertising mahogany necks and using a cheaper/weaker material, then there's the possibility of something legal happening.
I agree with you there cryingstrat but this rumor apears to come from another forum
and I just don't think that well respected companies such as Fender and Gibson would subject themself to such or allow their offshoot companies
to do so.


Right, I'm only speculating if it's is indeed true. I'd find it hard to believe to, but they certainly wouldn't be the first company to advertise this and sell ya that.

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cryingstrat wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I smell a Class Action law suit brewing.
I doubt that , hearing something from someone who was at
a shop and knows the owner would not go far . What they
call that is hear say.


Well of course you couldn't base it on just that. On the other hand. if Epi is advertising mahogany necks and using a cheaper/weaker material, then there's the possibility of something legal happening.
I agree with you there cryingstrat but this rumor apears to come from another forum
and I just don't think that well respected companies such as Fender and Gibson would subject themself to such or allow their offshoot companies
to do so.


Right, I'm only speculating if it's is indeed true. I'd find it hard to believe to, but they certainly wouldn't be the first company to advertise this and sell ya that.
True I just seen that someone was told that
somewhere else then its was brought here like fact. I am sure
you know what I mean.

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cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I smell a Class Action law suit brewing.
I doubt that , hearing something from someone who was at
a shop and knows the owner would not go far . What they
call that is hear say.


Well of course you couldn't base it on just that. On the other hand. if Epi is advertising mahogany necks and using a cheaper/weaker material, then there's the possibility of something legal happening.
I agree with you there cryingstrat but this rumor apears to come from another forum
and I just don't think that well respected companies such as Fender and Gibson would subject themself to such or allow their offshoot companies
to do so.


Right, I'm only speculating if it's is indeed true. I'd find it hard to believe to, but they certainly wouldn't be the first company to advertise this and sell ya that.
True I just seen that someone was told that
somewhere else then its was brought here like fact. I am sure
you know what I mean.


Oh yeah, actually I've been defending the Epi's here all along. They aren't crap guitars in my experience.

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