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Post subject: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:07 am
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Hello,

I'm new to the forum, new to all forums in fact!

I've just bought a Seymour Duncan trembucker for my 2007 HSS MIA Deluxe strat and I'd like to use the S1 switch to split the coils. The trembucker has a 4-way conductor and at the moment, when the pickup selector switch is in position 5 and the S1 is engaged, it has zero effect.

Page 4 shows a diagram of the switching configurations -http://support.fender.com/service_diagrams/stratocaster/010-1500_02A_SISD.pdf

Has anyone attempted this mod before and if so, how did you do it?

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:10 am
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You might want to consult uncle Seymour's wiring diagram page for the pickup wire colour codes ...

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wi ... olor_codes

Apparently Fender have been known to use different combinations in the past but that's alays worked for me when swapping out Fender pickups for Seymour Duncans.

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:40 am
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Stokley wrote:
...when the pickup selector switch is in position 5 and the S1 is engaged, it has zero effect...


Hi Stokley,

Position 5 is the neck pup, that particular diagram, and some others are wrong. The positions are physically correct, just labeled wrong. In any event, the hum-bucker is only split in position 2 (the diagram labeled 4) with the S-1 up, and is not split in position 1 (the diagram labeled 5) regardless of the S-1 position. According to that diagram, there is no difference using the S-1 with the hum-bucker position 1 (the diagram labeled 5).

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:44 am
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Thank you for your insight.

Ok, so referring to the correct selector numbering, I'd like to wire my guitar so that when the S1 switch is down on position 1, the bridge humbucker is split into a single coil.

I feel Fender missed a trick here and it also seems odd that when the bridge pickup is selected, the S1 switch doesn't have an alternative mode when engaged here. The HSS Strat would be so much more versatile if you could have a single coil tone for the bridge pickup as well as a humbucker. Best of both worlds if you ask me...


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:03 pm
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There have been several versions of wiring in the Deluxe with the S-1 switching. Mine has the passing lane switch (killer!), and there is a change in tone in position 1 when the S-1 switch is pushed, although I'm not sure of the exact configuration, but it seems clear that the hum-bucker isn't split. I think that you are in for a challenge to reconfigure yours and only change the position 1 configuration without affecting other positions. Perhaps Martian can come up with something for you. If you don't mind adding a switch, it would be really easy to split the hum-bucker, keep other positions the same with the switch disengaged, and add extra tones using the extra switch in other positions.

Possibly, you might get a better response posting this in the Strat section of the forum. :?:

http://forums.fender.com/viewforum.php?f=6

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:22 pm
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What about changing the bridge tone pot into a push/pull and using that to split the coils, might that work? I've also read that some guys have used the tone pot dial to split their coils. When the tone pot is up full, the humbucker is selected. Anything less than full and the coils are split.

If I'd have to sacrifice some of the other configurations in favour of being able to split the trembucker then I'd definitely consider it as I pretty much only use position "2" with the S1 engaged. That is the configuration which utilises ALL of the pickups. It sounds really fat for lead tones, hence why I'd love to keep it!


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:28 pm
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Stokley wrote:
What about changing the bridge tone pot into a push/pull and using that to split the coils, might that work?...


Yes, that would be the extra switch as I described before. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:15 am
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Ok, so I've found this diagram based on your suggestion from a similar post -

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Frustratingly the OP didn't reply to say if he had any luck with it so I'm reluctant to try it for myself.

I don't suppose anyone else has this wiring in their hss Strat?


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:13 am
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Stokley wrote:
I feel Fender missed a trick here and it also seems odd that when the bridge pickup is selected, the S1 switch doesn't have an alternative mode when engaged here. The HSS Strat would be so much more versatile if you could have a single coil tone for the bridge pickup as well as a humbucker.

Hi Stokley: though the S1 offers many different hook-up possibilities it sounds like my 2005 S1 HSS Strat is configured the same as yours. Does setting the selector switch to the bridge position give you full humbucker regardless whether the S1 is up or down?

If so, it used to strike me as strange that the S1 is being used to give nine tonal options rather than a full ten. But I think there's a logic to why a split humbucker is not one of the settings on these guitars. I suspect Fender spec these humbuckers to work nicely with the two single-coil pickups, without being such a leap in meatiness as to make them sound underpowered by comparison. But that in turn means just one of the humbucker's coils on its own would probably sound very thin, compared to the rest of the output. In general, we tend to find splittable humbuckers on HSH or HH guitars, where their sound is more in balance with other parts of the instrument's tonal range.

And I must say, in my own entirely subjective experience I've rarely come across a split humbucker that sounds anything like as good as a real single-coil pickup. It usually seems like something of a compromise to me, so the maker can claim their guitar is "versatile".

I'd suggest that if we want single-coil bridge pickup sounds then an SSS guitar is the best way to get them.

Still, I'm happy to be wrong on that, so if you do your coil split by one method or another and find you like the sound it gives please let us know! :)

Good luck - C

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:47 am
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Yeah my S1 switching configuration is exactly the same as you described yours.

I'm going to take my Strat to a tech in a couple of weeks and he's going to explore using a push/pull switch on the bridge tone pot that only splits the coil on the final switch position.

I will be back to let you know if it works and how it sounds if the mod was a success!


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:29 am
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Howdy!

Been a while since i last checked in on the forum. Good to see some familiar names still posting! :D

Hi Stokley,

Before you see your Tech, I reckon you'll want to take a peek at this...

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Add the red wire next to the smiley face to your current S-1 wiring and that should give you the split HB (with the S-1 in the OFF position), and without any additional switches. Just so you know, another forum user has reported that this mod works!

Check this thread for more details http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=67062

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:36 am
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Yo, Andy, dude! How very nice to see you around! :D

Just yesterday I was taking your name in vain on this thread -

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=91566

- and saying that nobody on this Forum knows the S1 switch like you do. Now we can all heave a sigh of relief, in the knowledge we're in safe hands!

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Cheers man - C

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:45 pm
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Hi Andy,

Many thanks for your expert input! I actually came across this diagram yesterday as well as the alternative version you created for a forum user named Baybridge. I believe you made the diagram for him based on the varying colour wires he had on his pickup.

Which would I need to used considering my pickup is a Seymour Duncan?

Once the mod had been made will I be able to use the S1 switch to split the coil then? I just want to double-check because the tech I spoke to was adamant that this couldn't be done! I'll show him the diagram and see what he makes of it!

Thanks for your assistance again, I'm just dying to get this trembucker installed now. I'm confident it won't sound too thin when split because it is quite a hot pickup. I read one user who was splitting his 59/Custom and using the slug coil of the Custom which is essentially what I'll be doing. He couldn't speak highly enough of the tone he got from it!


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:10 pm
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Stokley wrote:
Many thanks for your expert input!

No problem, but I'm no expert, just a geeky hobbyist that occasionally has his wiring head screwed on the right way round and properly earthed.

Stokley wrote:
I actually came across this diagram yesterday as well as the alternative version you created for a forum user named Baybridge. I believe you made the diagram for him based on the varying colour wires he had on his pickup.

Which would I need to used considering my pickup is a Seymour Duncan?

The wiring diagram for Baybridge will work for you too. He replaced his stock HB with a Lollar Imperial HB which apparently have the same colour wires as Seymour Duncan.

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Once the mod had been made will I be able to use the S1 switch to split the coil then?

Yep!

Position 5 - S-1 Off = Bridge Pickup - Upper coil only
Position 5 - S-1 On = Bridge pickup - Both coils, Series Humbucker

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I just want to double-check because the tech I spoke to was adamant that this couldn't be done! I'll show him the diagram and see what he makes of it!

Forum user Serge01 confirmed the mod works, though I've not had the opportunity to test this myself. Feel free to let us know what your tech thinks of the diagram. :D

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Thanks for your assistance again

Your welcome (and pretty lucky, as the last time I checked the forums out it was clearly under attack from some persistent spammers... haven't looked in too often since then)

Stokley wrote:
I'm just dying to get this trembucker installed now. I'm confident it won't sound too thin when split because it is quite a hot pickup. I read one user who was splitting his 59/Custom and using the slug coil of the Custom which is essentially what I'll be doing. He couldn't speak highly enough of the tone he got from it!

Sounds groovy. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe HSS S1 Coil Split
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:37 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Yo, Andy, dude! How very nice to see you around! :D

Word up, Mr C!

Ceri wrote:
Just yesterday I was taking your name in vain on this thread -

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=91566

- and saying that nobody on this Forum knows the S1 switch like you do.

You, Sir, are too kind! But, I can think of a couple of chaps that hang out round these parts that can do this sort of stuff and more... Is our celestial guitar guru, Martian still in orbit?

Ceri wrote:
Now we can all heave a sigh of relief, in the knowledge we're in safe hands!

"A-hem"... about those hands...

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