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Post subject: Re: Open tuning
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:14 am
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With slide playing, you have a built in compensator, but yeah, it must wreak havoc on the intonation.


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Post subject: Re: Open tuning
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:01 am
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GilgaFrank wrote:
I gave up on weird tunings many years ago. Takes too long to change tuning on stage or it ties up a spare guitar, easier to just play slide in standard tuning and figure out a different way to play any weird-tuned stuff. The most I'll ever do is drop the low E down to a D.

And don't get me started on people who insist on tuning a semitone down.


The band I'm in just started tuning a half step down. The singer says it gives him just a little more room to push.

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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:07 pm
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I have a couple resonators one in open D one in G. I wouldn't leave them in open A though. Just keep an eye on them.

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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:35 pm
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boxbang wrote:
With slide playing, you have a built in compensator, but yeah, it must wreak havoc on the intonation.

Intonation? We don' need no stinkin' intonation!!

It's actually not too bad; I just have to tweak/bend a random note here and there...

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Post subject: Re: Open tuning
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:39 pm
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I've been thinking.
The purpose of an adjustable saddle is to compensate for the tension on the string when fretting a note, correct ?
Well, when you play a note with a slide, you are putting little or no extra tension on the string.
Does this negate the need for compensation ? There's probably more to it though, just a thought.


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Post subject: Re: Open tuning
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:55 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
No one mentioned intonation changes with different tunings. :?:

When I had new pickups installed in my LP copy I did tell the guy I'd be playing slide in open G on it--and that's how he set it up
So I never even thought to add it.

Some tunings will make a bigger difference than others.
But with slide you can compensate for that.

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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:27 am
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boxbang wrote:
I've been thinking.
The purpose of an adjustable saddle is to compensate for the tension on the string when fretting a note, correct ?...


Not when fretting a note, it's the tension on the open string. That's why I brought it up, when you use an alternate tuning, the intonation will be off.

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Post subject: Re: Open tuning
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:05 am
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yodacaster wrote:
The band I'm in just started tuning a half step down. The singer says it gives him just a little more room to push.

That's one way of saying short reach.

On the plus side, it gives you a bit more room to push too - less force needed for bends and vibratos.


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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:01 pm
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arth1 wrote:
yodacaster wrote:
The band I'm in just started tuning a half step down. The singer says it gives him just a little more room to push.

That's one way of saying short reach.

Are you a singer? You made a comment earlier how you disrespect players who tune down a half step, and now you're casting dispersions on Yodacaster's singer for making that request.

It irritates me when a non-singer says, "Come on, just sing 'this' or 'that', what's the problem?" I usually reply, "Ok, as soon as you can play any- and every-thing on earth, I'll sing accordingly."

I am a singer, and I can understand how it would be easier and better (for me) if everybody would tune down a half a step for certain songs...after three surgeries that required intubation, the top end of my range and all my falsetto is gone. To put that in context for a guitarist, imagine somebody saying that you can't play above the ninth fret...you can make it work, but it seriously hampers certain actions.

However, I'm also a harmonica player, and when I switch from guitar to harp, it would really throw things off badly for me (it would screw me up financially to have to buy an entire set of flat-keyed harps); therefore I tune to 440, or use alternate/open tunings for a change in playing style...That really doesn't change the fact that I have to strain on certain songs unless we transpose them.

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Post subject: Re: Open tuning
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:32 am
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I use the tuning half a step down technique on some songs, can be a useful tool. No sniffiness needed :D Must admit though it doesn’t just slightly lower everything so you can sing the high parts, on certain numbers ive found the new key can totally change the whole tone of a song and sometimes it totally doesn’t work. Sometimes a songs key can be changed as much as you like, other times I just think there’s a reason our brains originally came up with the notes and key structure they originally did!

But that’s a tangent, apologies. I wanted to ask, whats double drop D? Im presuming the low D goes down two octaves? Isnt that getting into strings flapping in the wind territory? Or is it that you drop both the E`s? Or also tune the A down as well? Would be interested to know.

One tuning the singer in my old band used that I enjoy for heavier stuff is to tune the low E down to C, then the A and D strings down to the corresponding fifths as well, is pretty easy to find your feet playing in that tuning and has a very groovy heavy feel to everything. Apart from that I rarely use alternate tunings, I always think they will inspire me to come up with something new and different, but instead they always make me sound like whoever I ripped the tuning off! Normally Joni Mitchell or James Taylor :lol:

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