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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:18 pm
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LOL, a nice break from arguing about some guitar finish..eh?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do not miss that (shhhhh) :wink:


Rosewood!!

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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:31 pm
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Xhefri wrote:
LOL, a nice break from arguing about some guitar finish..eh?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do not miss that (shhhhh) :wink:


Rosewood!!:lol:

TONEWOOD How cold is it up there in AB? We hit -2F last night (-19C)

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:08 pm
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It ain't the cold, it's the windchill. :wink:

The wind howls at 440Hz...but Cries Mary at 432Hz. :D

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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:13 pm
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LOL @ Mike.
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How cold is it up there in AB? We hit -2F last night (-19C)
It's warmer today. -16C

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:23 pm
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Now I am really confused: 1122Hz is a synthesis or "meta" frequency derived from calculating the output function of the first 12 direct solfeggio tones. As an output function, the essence of each of its tributaries are brought together in the summation of its collective center point, sonically suggesting the integration and synthesis of complete solfeggio spectrum. Great care and attention to detail have gone in to the construction of this track, infusing the Golden Proportion in to virtually every aspect of it; including tempo, duration, carrier tone to entrainment program ratios.

After watching this I have as headache if that means anything! :?


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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:23 pm
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Now I am really confused: 1122Hz is a synthesis or "meta" frequency derived from calculating the output function of the first 12 direct solfeggio tones.....

I suppose that solfeggietto is the refined form. I would have rather eaten it served with a fine chianti then to have had to have been forced to play it over and over and over again until I either got it right or puked,as a young piano student. :?

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:11 am
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To be honest - why wouldn't we feel differently?
I mean wavelength is also an imaginary thing and yet it is what defines colour our eyes pick up. It is scientifically proven that some colours have a calming effect (such as blue, for instance), while others agitate people (red). So why would music be any different? A second is an imaginary unit, like a wavelength, so if that was different then the Hz would also be different, of course, but what we hear would be the same (much like we'd still see red as we do it now, even if we had named it white) and that's what has the effect on us. Does it matter whether that specific frequency is given the number 432 or 450 - will changing the name of the frequency change what we hear and the effect it has on us?
I mean just think about watching a horror movie - if you hear the music of the movie you'll be scared a lot more than if you muted the movie and listened to music made for children instead - you'd laugh at those scenes even if you'd be scared shitless had you listened to movie itself ;)

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:09 am
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Bach used an A that was around 490 Hz. He didn't have much choice, because one does not simply tune a church organ.
Handel used an A that was 409. By preference, it seems.
And they both get played today, by orchestras that mostly tune to 442 or 440 Hz.
Does it change how you feel?

It's like saying that driving at 55 mph feels better than driving at 56 mph. It'll align your chakras with your pineal resonant frequency and put you in tune with cosmos. Just not with Sammy Hagar.


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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:42 am
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I didn't say it would line you up with the cosmos and whatnot, but you will feel different. Perhaps it will be due to not being used to things tuned to A432, but you will feel it differently.

Red

Red

Both are red colours, so when you see it you will think - "oh yeah, it's red", but there's no denying the fact that they are different reds and that looking at one for a very long time will have a different effect on you than looking at the other one ;) Obviously the bigger the difference in colour, the bigger the difference in effect. Same goes for 440 vs any other frequency.

I tried changing a tune from 440 to 432 and then to 448 and 456. I listened the whole song, not just a section, with enough time in between to account for the difference in tuning (so that something wouldn't sound flat or sharp). 440 and 432 were both ok and I felt a bit weird listening it to 432 - probably because I am accustomed to 440. Listening it on 448 made me feel a bit more agitated while I couldn't listen the whole song on 456 at all as the agitation grew.
Now I am not saying that this is a cosmic rule, heck it might even be a placebo effect (as I am a skeptic about things), but imho it would warrant a thorough experiment with a focus group in controlled environment. Because no matter what, different frequencies (and again, it doesn't matter whether the length of a second would be bigger or smaller - the sounds of frequencies 440 or 432 would still be there, just the frequencies would have different numbers and it's not the numbers that affect what we hear or how we feel as when we hear a sound we don't think "oh that's the 653 frequency") will affect how we feel. Sound healing on one hand, sound torturing on the other hand - both 2 extreme cases of using sound to accomplish a goal.

We also know that everything has it's own resonance - heck Tesla built a device that could destroy a bridge and could also, theoretically, destroy the whole Earth just using the resonance. Resonance is the reason why soldiers must not march on bridges - they could destroy a bridge underneath them if marching resonated with the bridge's own resonation. If all things resonate it would also be foolish to think that we, people, would be an exception to that. Different frequencies will resonate with different parts of our body - 'brown' frequency for instance - and will produce different outcomes. Would A432 provide a better environment for the body than A440? Perhaps. Could it provide a worse environment for the body than A440? Perhaps. But the environment will be different, that can't be denied.

Your example of driving the car at 55 mph and 56 mph - will it provide a different feeling - yeah if the speed limit is 50 mph and you've got a radar that will pick up cars going strictly over 55 mph then yes, it will feel differently whether you got a speeding ticket in your mailbox (driving 56) or not (driving 55). Will it be apparent while driving? Nope. It will definitely be apparent when you get the ticket though. So it is not necessary that everything is apparent in right that specific moment (although we live in a world where we want to see the results instantaneously), but all things considered, different actions, different paths will have different results. It's a simple butterfly effect really ;)

So again I am not saying that tuning to A432 will make you in line with the cosmos, but tuning to A432 could have a better effect on the audience than tuning to A440, it could also have a worse effect but in either case the effect will be different. Will it be apparent? Perhaps, perhaps not.

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:18 am
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The whole thing kind of puts "perfect pitch" in a gray area now. :?

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:35 am
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If you tuned a double necked guitar to 440, wouldn't that actually be 880?

And if one of those necks were a 12-string, would that be 1320hz?

I think I confused myself. :?

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:05 am
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If you tuned a double necked guitar to 440, wouldn't that actually be 880?

And if one of those necks were a 12-string, would that be 1320hz?

I think I confused myself. :?


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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:17 pm
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And what about that 5-necked monstrosity that Rick Neilson plays? :shock:

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Post subject: Re: 440hz - a conspiracy???
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:57 am
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It's back. :wink:

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