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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:53 pm
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In answer to the question "Why is piracy bad?" quite frankly it's bad because every time an illegal copy of an artist's song is downloaded,said artist is being ripped off by not getting the royalties that they are rightfully and legally entitled to.Every year artists loose bilions in royalties due to the proliferation of pirate sites.Personally I never download pirated copies of any of my favourite artists because proclaiming my loyalty to an artist and then turning around and pirating all of their music that I can,would be very hypocritical and would actually be purposely ripping them off.

Having said all of that,there is one artist whose music I have no qualms about pirating and that is Jimi Hendrix recordings because in pirating his music I am in fact ripping off Janie Hendrix who is for all intents and purpose is ripping off Jimi's true blood relatives by not giving them as much as an occasional free CD,let alone his inheritance which his father had promised to all of his and Jimi's mother's blood relatives.In the final months of his life he was virtually kept under house arrest and relatives were denied access to him because he was always either "sick" or "sleeping". It was during these months that Al's (Jimi's father) will had changed quite substantially and the inheritance that was promised to be divided among "ALL" of Jimi's blood relatives was left in its entirety to Janie,who was absolutely no relation to Jimi,but was lucky enough to be the daughter of Al's second wife.Despite the flights of fancy she takes talking about the great times she had with her "big brother",in fact many close family have confirmed that Jimi hardly knew her and even forgot her name in his last phone call home before his death.I feel that I have good reason to beripping her off since she so cruelly ripped off Jimi's own flesh and blood and kept what was rightfully theirs away from them,even his 5 siblings of which some are living in near poverty or are institutionalized.Sorry about the rant but Jimi's legacy and his blood relatives being denied it under very very suspicious circumstances,really gets me steamed and whereas I owe him so much for being such a huge influence and inspiration for me,the least that I can do is to let people know how his family was done what appears to be a very dirty deal.


I literally addressed the exact issue of the revenue loss. The insanely minuscule amount of money the artist is not getting (not "losing", just not getting in the first place) when I pirate the music is more than made up for (like, hundreds of times over, actually) when I go out and go to a show, and buy something that actually makes them a noticeable profit.

Record sales mean nothing in 2013.

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:46 pm
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I agree Floyd that the insanely miniscule amount that your pirating a song represents a paltry little figure,but if 100,000 people (which I'm sure is exceeded enormously when world wide total of people pirating a given song is taken into account)that would equal $10,000 in royalties that an artist is being done out of.The reason that in this day and age so many artists have such grueling concert schedules is largely due to the very fact that pirating has become such an insidious and widespread practice that artists frankly are forced to tour to make any money because of all the possible revenues they have been deprived of due to the illegal pirate sites.Back in the 60s and 70s the collection of royalties from the sale of records and the sheet music of songs, songwriters such as Holland Dozier & Holland,Boyce and Hart,Bacharach,Geffen & King etc. could make a very comfortable and in some cases luxurious living for themselves.

It's quite obvious that one person pirating music would have negligible effect or impact on the livelihood of an artist but when you take into account the worldwide totals of pirated music,you are in fact looking at cumulative amount that could total in the billions according to figures that are often quoted by the movers and shakers of the recording industry.All one has to do is Google "The financial effects of piracy on recording artists"or a similar statement,and you'll see plainly that piracy isn't as harmless and innocouos as many people think it is.

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:48 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
I agree Floyd that the insanely miniscule amount that your pirating a song represents a paltry little figure,but if 100,000 people (which I'm sure is exceeded enormously when world wide total of people pirating a given song is taken into account)that would equal $10,000 in royalties that an artist is being done out of.

Don't think that 100,000 pirate copies would have meant 100,000 sales if pirating weren't possible. You didn't somehow "lose" 100,000 sales - 100,000 people didn't "steal" your music. They broke copyright laws. You are entitled to control whether someone can be allowed a copy. Sales is just a method. There is no copy = sale clause in the copyright laws.
Again, they broke copyright laws. Whether they pirate your song or mine, the crime is the same, and the victim is society.

If pirating wasn't possible, there would be increased sales from those who have to have it whether pirating or buying, but also decreased sales from those who bought because they had heard a pirated copy.
I just bought a CD and a DVD because I had heard and seen the songs on YouTube. If I hadn't, I would never have even known about them, and certainly not bought them. A clear example of piracy leading to increased income for the creator. And I am not the only person who does this.
I suspect a substantial portion of CD/MP3 sales are due to people being exposed to music through pirate copies. Especially for music that isn't on the top 20, and unlikely to be heard on the radio. That means pretty much every publishing artist on this forum.

You have all the right in the world to be upset if people distribute your music without your consent. But it doesn't correspond to lost sales, because you have no control over who buys. Just lost control.


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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:43 pm
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Pirating is easily one of the most benificial ways of discovering new bands and getting in on some really amazing music that's out there right now. I personally don't do it, but not for the sake of the music industry or anything; I just don't like digital format at all now.

What I think you guys (guitslinger and skid) don't understand is that the type of bands floyd is refering to, probably wouldn't care if they get pirated or not. If anything they'd think it's great that their music is getting out there.

Back when I used to pirate music, I came across a great Melbourne band called The Vasco Era. Surely enough a couple of months later, they came to play at my town. I paid for the show, bought their debut album, and actually had a conversation with the frontman. I said that I'd stumbled upon his band via pirating, and he said he thought it was great that people were getting exposed to ther music and coming to shows to support them, rather than buying a digital version that really is only going to give the band probably $2.

Stop being nostalgic wankers. It's not the 70's anymore, the music industry has changed massiveley. Yes the charts and the top 100 are pretty much dead, which does suck, but pirating has made finding music that's actually good, and that's happening NOW, and not 40 years ago, so much easier.

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:40 am
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Back to vinyl:

I picked up some used stuff yesterday

Blackfoot "Flying High" and "Marauder"
Climax Blues Band "Gold Plated"

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:22 pm
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orvilleowner wrote:
Back to vinyl:

I picked up some used stuff yesterday

Blackfoot "Flying High" and "Marauder"
Climax Blues Band "Gold Plated"

For years you could get nice used Vinyl at all the yard sales, not so much now days.

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:15 pm
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My boss's daughter is 19. Her Christmas list includes a record player and LPs.

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:20 pm
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stratmansteve wrote:
My boss's daughter is 19. Her Christmas list includes a record player and LPs.

Everything old is new again.

Its nice that some of the young are experiencing the audio past. The pleasing sound of vinyl.

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:56 pm
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stratmansteve wrote:
My boss's daughter is 19. Her Christmas list includes a record player and LPs.

Everything old is new again.


So they say, but I somehow don't see 8-track cassettes and paisley Nehru jackets coming back any time soon.


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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:02 pm
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:D Nothing beats analogue sound!! I own a 2K+ turntable thaT SOUNDED clinical ... hooked it up to a 1977 Sansui AU 717 and it was magic!! No I can't play vinyl in the car ... how does car listetning qualify as "critical" listening?? That would be the same as playing my favorite Strat in the shower ... who gives a rats a__ what the Strat sounds like in the shower? Other than you getting shocked into oblivion!!! Vinyl rules!!! 8)

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:40 pm
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Bogiedr wrote:
That would be the same as playing my favorite Strat in the shower ... who gives a rats a__ what the Strat sounds like in the shower? Other than you getting shocked into oblivion!!!

A couple of mA at 1V or less shocks you into oblivion?


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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:53 pm
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cvilleira wrote:
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I stored my LP's in a carton. I was amazed at how fast CD's kicked LP's though.

Modern CD's suffer from hyper compression causing over loudness since the mid 90's just listen to and early cd then a modern version and you can tell the difference. Audiophiles have been saying this for years.
Analog sounds much warmer and ambient filling a room with sound. You need a good system though for listening but you don't get that over compression and loudness pushing peaks and causing distortion.

Thats the debate over analog and the mastering of digital and creating untrue loudness levels that CD's suffer from. Many know no different because thats all they ever had to listen to and they will swear by it. Music from the 60's and 70's was made to sound good in analog at the time and when remaster to modern CD it sounds different from what it was intended.


I couldn't agree with you more on all fronts! I went crazy for CDs in the mid 80s, but got back into vinyl by the late 90s. I am so glad I kept all my original CDs from the 80s and didn't dump them for the "remaster" craze that happened in the mid 90s and 2000s. The original versions do sound better.


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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:57 pm
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orvilleowner wrote:
Back to vinyl:

I picked up some used stuff yesterday

Blackfoot "Flying High" and "Marauder"
Climax Blues Band "Gold Plated"



GOLD PLATED is such a cool album! My dad used to play it all the time when it came out in 1976. When I got back into vinyl, it was one of the first albums I bought (used)!


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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:39 am
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Bogiedr wrote:
That would be the same as playing my favorite Strat in the shower ... who gives a rats a__ what the Strat sounds like in the shower? Other than you getting shocked into oblivion!!!

A couple of mA at 1V or less shocks you into oblivion?


When he has his Marshall in there as well it does.

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Post subject: Re: Vinyl Records
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:31 am
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I just ordered the following on vinyl for christmas;

Bass drum of death-GB city
Bass drum of death-Bass drum of death
Ty segall-Sleeper

That's the only thing I have to look forward to on christmas day.

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