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Post subject: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:06 pm
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Guitar tone is in the ears of the player/listener so when I saw this video it was the first time that I had seen an actual comparison. It appears that the amp is dialed in at the same levels for all four guitars. I favor the two Fenders lol but have to admit the other two guitars sound pretty good. Anyone have similar vids with other guitars and Fender?

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:00 pm
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Got to say that the Japanese Fender sounded rather imprecise and muddy.
The humbucker equipped Ibs had a fatter and precise tone, but the second Fender was really good. More playful than the rest, in a way.

It's difficult to compare this way. Unless the tone setting is all the way up to "off" on all guitars, you already have one human choice variable that won't be the same. In some way, I think it's more honest to adjust each guitar to its best, and augment with pedals too, even if they don't sound the same. Because when you play a guitar in real life, you're not going to dial back on the settings so it can be compared - you're going to use whatever enhancements and adjustments that makes it sound better.


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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:51 pm
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As with colours, individuals perceive sounds much differently than others.Some may prefer a dark warm sounding guitar yet others may prefer a bright ringing more treble pronounced tone.So one's idea of "better" may be the polar opposite of another's opinion. I have compared my own guitars that are different brands yet similar layout such as comparing 2 or 3 Strats to my 3 pickup Vox Mk II and '63 3 pup Hagstrom Corvette and the no name Strat type triple pup guitar my daughter got me for Father's Day when she was working at the local Gibson factory.The Vox has a much fuller tone than all the others but that may also be due to it being an acoustic electric the Hagstrom's pickups are much more on the brighter side than the others and the no name has a surprisingly full Fat Strat sound. Even the Fenders sound different when compared to each other. My M/N 50th Ann. model sounds much more mellow than the rosewood neck 2000 MIM model,which has a real treble bite when played at the same amp settings as the 50th Ann. model.

We all hear subtleties in tone may not be heard by others and then again they may pick up on tones that you miss.All my triple pickup single coil guitars sound different but their overall pickup design and materials used in making them also contributes to them having an overall similarity in tone and what it all boils down to is that no matter which of them I'm playing at a given time,I am enjoying the sounds that are coming from it and that's all that really matters in the long run.

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:28 am
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I've said this elsewhere in these pages. I don't place any weight on the audio from these vids.

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:36 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
I've said this elsewhere in these pages. I don't place any weight on the audio from these vids.


Plus the fact that your computer is probably not a true HIFI audio playback device. No high end audio card or monitor quality speakers attached to it either, means your really not hearing all the tones you should.


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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:39 am
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Well, my computer is about as Hi-Fi as reasonably possible. I run Yamaha HS-8 near field monitors. It would be pretty hard to find a computer sound system that is significantly truer to the original material. Key word being significantly. As in enough to hear. That is … insofar as we leave the digital v. analogue debate out of the mix.

I have never really been into that shredder type of tone, so highly processed that you either can't hear the guitar at all or else you can barely hear it. That being said I thought it was pretty clear that the Ibanez guitars were both better at that kind of tone, with perhaps a nod to the second one. Both were very similar but I thought I detected just a smidgeon more smoothness and perhaps better harmonics in the RGPR2-T/S. Might be my imagination though. They were both very similar and the lead lines were not identical so that could be a factor as well.

Neither of the Strats excelled in that kind of tone in my opinion but I thought maybe the '06 Classic Player had a slight advantage. I tried to imagine what both of the Strats would sound like with a more traditional rig and I think I'd have to say the '87 MIJ would prolly have the better sounding pickups, particularly the neck pup if they were being used for standard rock/blues/roots kinds of tones. Then again, tone is in the ear of the listener. YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:59 am
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SNick wrote:
ZZDoc wrote:
I've said this elsewhere in these pages. I don't place any weight on the audio from these vids.


Plus the fact that your computer is probably not a true HIFI audio playback device. No high end audio card or monitor quality speakers attached to it either, means your really not hearing all the tones you should.


It's not just the playback hardware either, YouTube (AFAIK) only encodes audio as MP3, AAC, and Vorbis (Ogg). All of these are compressed formats and will degrade the original audio quality. Playing compressed media through a true HIFI audio playback device can sound terrible, because you can clearly hear the loss of quality.

As far as this specific demo, I can't understand the point of it - if you really wanted to compare the sound of these guitars/pickups, you'd need to use a clean channel, no?

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:46 pm
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I'm not sure there is any method of recording and playback that truly captures and perfectly reproduces every single fine nuance of the original source material. If there was I would think by now somebody would have discovered it and patented it and made their billions and it would be a household word. Perhaps not available to every household but everyone would know about it. Furthermore, even if someone did think they had figured out perfection in recording and playback someone else would discover flaws in the system. CDs were touted as perfect when they first came out about 30 years ago. Digital music was hailed as perfect sound. In fact anything digital was considered superior to anything analogue and many people still hold that opinion even today, misguided as it is. Some years after the CD came out somebody analyzed it and discovered digital noise and distortion. Then audiophiles went back to vinyl and there is still a niche market for vinyl to this day.

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:27 pm
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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:51 pm
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I think the point it not that there's some perfect format out there - it's that all formats are flawed. Even vinyl .... you got your warmth back, but along with that came some pops and a ton of hiss. That's why everyone went digital in the first place.

In the case of YouTube, it's kind of like shooting a movie with a home 'camcorder', copying it onto a VHS tape, and then playing it on an iPhone. By the time you get to the final product, it's really starting to lose something.

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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:54 pm
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Analog comes closer than digital.


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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:02 pm
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All good responses Bros. The things in the video that caught my attention were the Brand x models were Strat copies and Ibz must have used much time and resources rediscovering Leo's guitar. Resources used wisely because those are pretty cool copies. The sound of them is about as good as you can get without being a Fender. I noticed the characteristic Fender full sound on both Strats but agree with Art that the second Strat sounded better than the first and in the right players hands would be more versatile than the x's ie: can play many more styles of music with one guitar. The x's are metal guitars. Not one trick pony's, but imitators that found an important niche. I just think Strats can do all the styles including metal. IMHO YMMV (to quote my favorite Martian). I haven't found any other vids with the amps dialed in so the comparison can be somewhat balanced lol and am wondering if there are any out there.

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:40 pm
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I'm not sure there is any method of recording and playback that truly captures and perfectly reproduces every single fine nuance of the original source material. If there was I would think by now somebody would have discovered it and patented it and made their billions and it would be a household word.

I think the word you're looking for is "touring".

To be honest, I don't think most people would appreciate high fidelity. When you get too close to the original, it spooks people. The uncanny valley phenomenon. I've had people leave the room when I've played SACDs, but they're comfortable if I play the same song as an MP3. And like it even better as an MP3 played highly compressed over the radio.


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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:50 am
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arth1 wrote:
To be honest, I don't think most people would appreciate high fidelity. When you get too close to the original, it spooks people.


+1

I recently had some friends over for supper and after the meal we voted to watch a movie -- "Transformers", a film my guests had seen many times at home. But their home-theater system is one of those chintzy "blue-light specials" from K-Mart and they heard effects on my studio-grade audio rig they'd never heard before, like the really low growls at the start (when the original Decepticon is found in the ice cave) and the tinkle of broken window glass at the end (when the robots are tearing up the city). But such playback fidelity does not necessarily translate well to the realm of the electric guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Fender vs Brand x
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:43 am
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arth1 wrote:
I think the word you're looking for is "touring".
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you saying there is a manufacturer of recording equipment called Touring?

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