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Post subject: Re: ugh, im now convinced :(
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:20 pm
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Post subject: Re: ugh, im now convinced :(
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:28 pm
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tobougg wrote:
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No offense but everything sounds the same to the tone deaf. Funny I have four Strats and they all sound different to me.


well do they all have different pickups and strings?



Not really. Standard American Alnico pickups from 2000 to 2008 Ernie Ball 9's.

I should add that 2 have vintage bridges and 2 have the 2 point bridge.


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Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:44 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:49 pm
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All woods have different resonating properties that vary greatly due to different densities,weights and whether the grains of the wood are tight together as in ebony or mahogany or more widely spaced such as pine or some types of spruce. An electric guitar made with a wood with great resonance will certainly have more sustain that one the has a poor,dull resonance.Some woods also absorb more of the low frequencies than others yet others may resonate the bass notes more readily and the pups consequently won't pick up the highs so much and vice versa,so the type of wood plays a much bigger part in a guitar's tone than many people think it does. The type of wood is most important in the making of an acoustic guitar where you want to be able to clearly hear all the sound frequencies it produces.Some people may prefer a more bright sounding guitar so they will most likely go for a guitar with a spruce top but with maple sides and back.A person who leans towards a more mellow guitar will most likely go for a guitar with Mahogany sides and back.

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Post subject: Re: ugh, im now convinced :(
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:29 pm
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Now I feel kinda bad for the thread I started this morning. It is a guitar forum though, and I'm sure many threads in the future will come along discussing tone stuff.

I still believe that pickups can sound different in different guitars. It's happened to me many times over and left me scratching my head as to why tons of times. I actually think it's a little strange if you don't hear a difference. I'd swear my Corsair and Esprit sound the same to me with the same pickups in them, and they're completely different makeups. Why? I don't know. I'll just say "for whatever reason".

I can't in good conscience say that it doesn't matter what guitar you put a pickup in, it will sound the same. I think a better question is, to what degree? I've heard drastic changes, and minute changes from whatever guitar to whatever else it gets put in. And on rare occasions, seemingly none at all. That being my personal experiences, there would be no way for me to definitively say "It doesn't matter".

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I think the OP is just an Instigator trying to stir up conflict by resurrecting this topic time and again !!

Strange how some people get their kicks... :x

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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:36 am
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Here are the other 2 threads you started on the same subject, might as well have links here so everyone can read the entire fascinating discussion! :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: ugh, im now convinced :(
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:52 am
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tobougg wrote:
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oh wow, an opinions thread!

I have opinions, who wants to hear them?


well if you watch the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtnx-gnMrTQ

it looks like a fact, not an opinion?

Doesn't look like fact at all. First, it was demonstrated that wood has no magnetic properties. Classic strawman, no one ever argued that wood affects tone magnetically. Wood affects tone physically which is clearly shown first thing in the demo.

He then does a demo with the one Les Paul lying on top of another. A change in tone is clearly heard when he separates the guitars while he is stating there is no difference. It's absurd.

So it is clearly demonstrated that wood has an acoustical property that affects the way a guitar sounds and then we're asked to believe that pickups filter out these acoustical properties only from the wood but not the strings, bridge, and other hardware.

So please explain how pickups differentiate between the physical properties of the wood and nothing else.

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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:37 am
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All woods have different resonating properties that vary greatly due to different densities,weights and whether the grains of the wood are tight together as in ebony or mahogany or more widely spaced such as pine or some types of spruce. An electric guitar made with a wood with great resonance will certainly have more sustain that one the has a poor,dull resonance.Some woods also absorb more of the low frequencies than others yet others may resonate the bass notes more readily and the pups consequently won't pick up the highs so much and vice versa,so the type of wood plays a much bigger part in a guitar's tone than many people think it does. The type of wood is most important in the making of an acoustic guitar where you want to be able to clearly hear all the sound frequencies it produces.Some people may prefer a more bright sounding guitar so they will most likely go for a guitar with a spruce top but with maple sides and back.A person who leans towards a more mellow guitar will most likely go for a guitar with Mahogany sides and back.

Good post, it appears you were listening in science class when learning about weight and density effect on vibration. Even a guitar neck connection be it set or bolt on has some effect on sound.
Many variables in a guitar.

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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:52 am
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I have an opinion and I typed out a long response but I deleted it. I just don't have the inclination to enter into a fruitless argument. Nobody has ever changed anybody else's mind on this matter.

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Post subject: Re: ugh, im now convinced :(
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:18 pm
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I have an opinion and I typed out a long response but I deleted it. I just don't have the inclination to enter into a fruitless argument. Nobody has ever changed anybody else's mind on this matter.


Uh... Yup !!

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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:03 pm
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You guys would rather say troll etc than watch the video i linked proving without a doubt that increasing the size of a les paul by 2x thickness and weight doesn't make even the slightest bit of difference to the guitar .

And the guy who said "there's clearly a tone difference when he lifts up the guitar, how can he say there isn't its absurd". LOL. the only difference you hear is the bloody neck bending slightly when he lifts it up by the neck and puts it down.
The Sound stay identical but the pitch of the strings stretching with or without the bed changes.. jesus.

And the other guy saying "the tonal properties of the brighter wood" etc. Stuff giving a "Brighter Tone". Sure it does unamplified. But when it's plugged in to the amp. The ONLY thing that Resonates or makes stuff brigther ot darker sounding, no matter HOW dense or loose the wood grain is or isn't is the pickups. Watch the video.

If the neck wook makes such a huge difference, again why when you play on a fretboard with big inlays in it like a les paul, the guitar doesn't sound different when you're holding a string over the top of the inlay?

Lastly, the whole "Sustain and resonance" thing is covered aswell. How come that huge double necked SG thing sustains for less time than the black guitar with no head and body on it? there's hardly any wood in that guitar at all, and it sustains longer than the massive SG. IT"S THE PICKUPS.

He even said in the video "to prove it, they made a guitar out of just pieces of aluminum tubing, it had frets and NO finger board. It had NO body.. yet it sounded just as fat and sustained just as long as a les paul... because the pickups are what gives the sound... not the wood.

and apologies for sounding upset or whatever. but i mean it's a guitar forum, and you're not allowed to debate whether or not parts of the guitar actually make it sound different or not.
especially when you could pay 5 grand for a guitar because the wood is better,, yet it sounds identical to a squier affinity with the ssame pickups


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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:08 pm
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mhowell wrote:
tobougg wrote:
GilgaFrank wrote:
oh wow, an opinions thread!

I have opinions, who wants to hear them?


well if you watch the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtnx-gnMrTQ

it looks like a fact, not an opinion?

Doesn't look like fact at all. First, it was demonstrated that wood has no magnetic properties. Classic strawman, no one ever argued that wood affects tone magnetically. Wood affects tone physically which is clearly shown first thing in the demo.

He then does a demo with the one Les Paul lying on top of another. A change in tone is clearly heard when he separates the guitars while he is stating there is no difference. It's absurd.

So it is clearly demonstrated that wood has an acoustical property that affects the way a guitar sounds and then we're asked to believe that pickups filter out these acoustical properties only from the wood but not the strings, bridge, and other hardware.

So please explain how pickups differentiate between the physical properties of the wood and nothing else.


when he lifts the guitar up and puts it down, the sound difference is the neck felxing and causing the strings to expand/subtract... i thought you would have know the difference between a pitch change and a tonal change mate.. "absurd" is correct ...


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