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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:17 am
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more about my love/hate feelings toward Rickenbacker.

They keep getting cheaper and cheaper in quality. Look at the '57 4000 Bass, and then look at the current 4003. They keep doing away with the characteristics we love, as time goes on. Ever see a 4001 from the 60's..with all that detail? They even used a better grade of wood back in the day.

Now some praise...the scale length of the 4001 bass is an improvement over the Precision. It's burpier, and the sustain is much richer than the Fender. Also..the fit and finish of Rickenbacker is definitely top notch. Somebody's cracking the whip in the assembly department.

That's all I got.


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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:31 am
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this '94 Fender P-bass Squier model projects noticeable vibrations through your body to your feet when standing. Better acoustic vibrations than most other bass guitars I've played. Other basses sound great but the buck stops at the guitar except for miimal surface transfer.
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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:21 am
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If the wood does not add tone please explain how a wooden bar Xylophone gets it's tone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylophone


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:21 am
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OK so im obviously the OP of this monstrosity of a thread! sorry about that, but it's interesting to see so many different points of view, when if it came to the crunch, we would all jump infront of a bus for eachother if anyone outside the circle started tlking crap about one of us :)

Here's a test i did this morning, my friend has a sh*tty old Squier affinity strat (he has 2, i took the one that was heaviest). and i swapped the pickups out with my American Standard ceramics from my 2003 standard.

I proceeded to then set the guitar up (i was so close to failing with the intonation as the saddle for the high E at to be pushed so far forward it's touching the plate screw) but it's perfect now.
It's actually made remarkably well for a 100 quid guitar, and the frets are all dead even!
So i plugged it into my usual setup on a pure clean tone and guess what.
it sounds identical to my 2003 American Strat. The only difference is a tiny little bit of buzz where the strings have cut down into the nut slightly. but the tone is just pure beautiful from it.
it's made of basswood i think, definitely not Alder, the grain is dead straight on it and very light through the burst.

So here's the question. If i replace the bridge, the nut and the neck of this, so only the body and the electronics are the same (so it's affinity "crappy wood" body with crappy wiring, 2003 strat neck, pickguards and plates, bridge nut amd pickups). If will sound much better because the wood is higher grade?

Im not trying to cause arguments here at all! im just trying to find that amazing tone you guys speak of that each instrument over 700 dollars seems to have that ones at 699 dollars or less (even if built identically in mexico) dont have!

as im in the market for a new guitar, and if you guys can help me find this magical tone, ill love you forever.
so far the Squier classic vibe 50's in butterscotch wiuth the alnico 5's for 300 bucks is the winner!


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:36 am
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Your question is like a bucket with a hole in it.


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 am
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SNick wrote:
Your question is like a bucket with a hole in it.


dear Liza.

im asking 1: why does a 100 guitar sound the same as my 1100 guitar when i put the same pickups in it.
will it make any difference when i use the gear from the 1100 on the 100 and keeping the body from the 100?
why can't i hear these tonal differences everyone else hears between each strat


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:48 am
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SNick wrote:
If the wood does not add tone please explain how a wooden bar Xylophone gets it's tone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylophone


The Wood DOES add tone i think. Im not saying it doesn't. Like if you put your 3 pickups into a thin piece of wood and played it it'd sound thinner.

but once you have the same body shape and the same pickups. it doesn't matter about the weight of the wood, the type of the wood, the grade of the wood.

it's just pickups in "wood" of a certain shape and within a certain amount of weight.
like trying to tell me a birdseye mapleneck and finger boards with gloss on the fingerboard "you get that kind of brighter more glassy tone from it" that a rosewood board on a standard mapleneck. it's just pure placebo. If anything the gloss and layers and layers of varnish/goss on the fingerboard deaden the sound of the wood on the board so how can it be brighrter? they just think it's brighter with the placebo effect because it's a very light coloured wood and it's really shiny and the guitar kind of "looks" light and it "looks" like it would be lighter and brither.
it's not.
IF a neck did give tonal properties to a guitar, then surely a rosewood fingerboard with no sealant or gloss or anything would give a greatly brither tone? just because it's dark colour, our minds think it gives a darker tone lol, it's very childish when you think about it like that


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:14 pm
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can you guys who're doubting my suspisions watch this video and just give me your genuine feedback on it? in this video it shows a les paul which "only sounds so basey like that because it's a big heavy guitar so it sounds mean" yet he puts 2 les pauls back to back and it doesn't change the tone even the slightest bit, so im definitely not gonna pick up a les paul for that money! fender please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtnx-gnMrTQ

what do you think of this video? he has another video where he's putting the guitar on the floor and on the carpet (which apparently muffles the sound of the wood) but he's playing notes on the carpet then lifting the guitar up and it doesn't even change the tone in the slightest bit


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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:50 pm
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tobougg...only you can find the magical tone. If reading about it on here inspires you to think on the matter...great, but you need to throw all that out the door when the time comes.


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:52 pm
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WildintheStreets wrote:
tobougg...only you can find the magical tone. If reading about it on here inspires you to think on the matter...great, but you need to throw all that out the door when the time comes.


can you watch that video i linked in the message right above yours. and watch what happens when he puts 2 guitars together and stuff like that and it doesn't change the tone even in the slightest, whats your thoughts on that?


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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:10 pm
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In reality there are some many things that effect tone from guitar. How its made to strings used, pedals , amps, even the space in which you are playing. They all effect what you hear.

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:12 pm
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cvilleira wrote:
In reality there are some many things that effect tone from guitar. How its made to strings used, pedals , amps, even the space in which you are playing. They all effect what you hear.


in that video i linked. you'd think that putting another les paul rightontop of a les paul would affect the tone as it's twice as thick. it didn't change the tone even 0.5%, how come?


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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:54 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
I have developed a very good ear over the years but I have to say that I haven't encountered any changes in the sound or timbre of any of my guitars or basses when the weather changes,even with dramatic changes.The only changes that I've experienced are neck adjustments needed in drastic humidity changes and they are few due to the constant use of a dehumidifier.I literally live next to the North Atlantic and a dehumidifier is essential if you have musical instruments.

Inland, we have the opposite problem. When it gets cold in the fall, the inland air humidity plummets, unlike in coastal areas. And when heating comes on, it becomes even drier. This affects instruments, which not only need truss rod adjustments, but it changes the resonance too. At first, it increases, but after a few weeks, it dies out. I swear it even affects speakers.
While we use humidifiers, they don't do as good a job as dehumidifiers - the area of effect is very small.


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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:58 pm
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In terms of an electric instrument, wood probably plays a really minor role in the tone.

That's only when you can see your guitar as a guitar (for what it is) and as a bunch of components that came together to make your guitar. (the whole picture)

Think about all the parts that go into the electronics alone, then tell me "Yea, it's the mahogany. That's why it sounds good." That's just plain fuckin' silly.

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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:09 pm
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tobougg wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
In reality there are some many things that effect tone from guitar. How its made to strings used, pedals , amps, even the space in which you are playing. They all effect what you hear.


in that video i linked. you'd think that putting another les paul rightontop of a les paul would affect the tone as it's twice as thick. it didn't change the tone even 0.5%, how come?

Not sure what video your talking about? The one comparing two LP's made in different places being played?

The biggest thing to change a guitars tone is the amp and setting being played. Even they can vary with the location and micing if used.

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