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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:33 pm
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oh yeah i must be a troll. god forbid i'd try to whether or not the "tone" every guitar player thinks he has is real or not.


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:09 pm
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tobougg wrote:
oh yeah i must be a troll. god forbid i'd try to whether or not the "tone" every guitar player thinks he has is real or not.


Just because it's not real for you doesn't mean it's not real for someone else, or vise versa. :wink:

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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:36 pm
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oh yeah i must be a troll. god forbid i'd try to whether or not the "tone" every guitar player thinks he has is real or not.

Dude, you are clearly not interested in a discussion. You don't even bother to read the replies you get, because you repeat arguments that have been refuted, and never address the refutations. You harp on on about this in multiple threads.

If you feel the need to soapbox, this is not the place for it. Get a blog of your own.


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:40 pm
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Strings and Tone knob :shock:

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:10 am
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tobougg wrote:

Well of course acoustic guitars are going to sound different depending on what they're made from, the size of the cavities, the tension of the strings, the style etc. but electric guitars are a different story.


Not entirely, and I think that is what a lot of people are trying to say. Even you understood there might be a difference using pickguards on a strat as pickup fixture points.
I have hollow body, semi hollow, thin and thick solid body guitars. That makes a difference to the tone. The pickups in my Casino are P90s just like in my SG, and same string length - but they are very different beasts tonally. The SG isn't a particular thick body either, compared to my MIA strat or my LP. It is closest in thickness to my Affinity Squier.
I've modded the pickups on the Squier. It's a great guitar. The neck feels excellent on it, and it is hugely better than the cheap knock off guitars I had as a kid, in terms of playability.
Although the Squier sounds and plays great, I can feel the difference in quality when I move to a MIA instrument (I'm not American btw). Are there major differences? No, not really. But even minor differences matter. Guitars are often valued strangely, but there is some reason to the pricing - I don't agree that some guitars are worth a hundred thousand more than others, but I am willing to pay more for an instrument that feels and sounds brilliant. I won't pay that if I don't have to. The price tag is not the issue, the label is not the issue either. But it appears that the best guitars often come with both.
Tonally, even cheap guitars might sound fantastic, and can be made to sound fantastic if needed by modifying.
But better guitars need less mods usually. I suppose they also keep value better. They often feel great too.

I don't think anyone can answer this question to your satisfaction, besides yourself. That's as far as I can answer for myself. Everyone here knows that the guitarist is the real factor. Nice guitars are better than not nice ones, they don't have to be expensive, but they can be.


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:28 am
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Does my massive tailpiece in combination with dimarzio pickups gives me monster sustain?

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:01 am
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tobougg wrote:
oh yeah i must be a troll. god forbid i'd try to whether or not the "tone" every guitar player thinks he has is real or not.

You must be hearing impaired if you can't discern the difference between specific, individual instruments.

Yes, many Telecasters sound similar (that's why there's a distinct "Telecaster Sound"), but not every Telecaster sounds exactly alike. It may be a subtle nuance, but there are differences.

If the pickups were all that mattered, I would be able to put some '59 PAFs on my Strat's body and it would sound just like a Les Paul.

...and if you start thinking THAT'S true, then you're not a hearing-impired troll...you're just not very bright.

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:37 am
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I have 5 Strats and they all sound markedly different but then again they all have the unmistakeable Strat tone.The last time I went on a Strat hunt I tried out at least 10 Strats and several were the same model yet they all had an individual personality.It would be practically impossible for any 2 guitars from the same run of instruments to have identical tonal "fingerprints" because of even slight variations in electrical parts and pickup windings as well as wood densities etc. which fortifies what I said about several dynamics are involved in creating a guitar's tone.As long as the guitar sounds good to me I couldn't care less if it was made from petrified cow patties.

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:02 am
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You might liken it to how family members sound and look alike. I look very similar to my father, except for the fact that I'm 27 years younger and about 6 inches taller.

My nephew looks exactly like my brother, except for the 23 years age difference and about 5 inches shorter, my brother being taller.

My brother and I look nothing alike--he's 6'2" with dark hair and olive complexion, I'm 5'11" with dark blond hair and fair complexion.

However, with all the differences between the four of us, there are commonalities.

We all have very similar eyes (shape and color).
We all sound very similar in our speaking (and singing) voices.
We all walk alike.

But if some one knows us well, they can tell the difference in I our voices (on the phone, for example). When my brother was younger and he didn't want to talk to a particular girl, he would hand the phone to me and the girl wouldn't know that she wasn't talking to my 18-year-old brother-- they were actually talking to 12-year-old me, because my voice changed early. However, a couple of them heard the slight differences in timbre and tone, and I'd get off the phone quickly.

Similarly, There's often guitars that sound a lot alike because they're in the same family... but they are never exactly the same and a well trained ear can tell the difference. A Telecaster may a sound like another Telecaster but they're never completely identical. Even if they're in the same series or of the same type or even a specific signature (Clapton Strat or Slash Les Paul, for example) model, they will never sound absolutely identical.

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:18 pm
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tobougg wrote:
i know it's great to have an instrument you love so much and has been such a good servent to you that it looks as old as you, and the fingerboard is wearing out etc.
but it's just getting old now. every guy and their dog has one that looks like that now(thank you relic...) :P
also, there seems to be no sacred guitars anymore, like that run of 1500 les paul's in burst in 1959. why do companies have to be so greedy, can't they keep it as a legendary guitar, something to be remembered. like alot of fender's classics.
i know you could say it's popular demand that everyone wants one of these legendary guitars, but is it greed that gives it too them?

ok all my guitar problems are off my chest now! thanks


I agree with some of your argument on this thread. Your opinions are valid as a music retailer- you get to see a lot of what we don't. You see people get suckered into spending lots of money.. As a retailer myself, I have seen that too.

I have to agree with you here in your above statement. In the early nineties you paid top dollar for a mint early 60's Strat and anything that looked beat-up wasn't worth half as much and no-one wanted them.

I gotta say relics are nothing more than a fashion statement. Plus, they have pretty much made anything that looks like it was dragged behind a car on a metal sealed road worth a lot of money. Because of that, anything made in the 70's would be less expensive if the relics never existed. I remember seeing a 74 Strat in my local store retailing for half as much as an American standard Strat back in 1994..

But remember that's just marketing. There was clearly a demand for relic guitars and other products and we are all consumers who buy them.

Gone are the days when we had only one guitar and it did the job. Gone are the days where you found 'your tone' and we weren't trying to be like every other SRV or Clapton lick-playing clone out there. Gone are the days where the focus was on actually playing the guitar and not accumulating & hoarding them for our own amusement to show off. It does seem that we are on a quest for tone, however at the expense of our wallets and bank accounts. Truth be told, it's all in how well you play the guitar..

I know for a fact good tone comes from good decent hours per day of actual music practice and playing.

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:11 pm
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Ok I figured it out. The original poster should be a producer. They can't hear anything.


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:19 pm
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brotherdave wrote:
Ok I figured it out. The original poster should be a producer. They can't hear anything.

BRILLIANT!!

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:59 pm
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tobougg wrote:
oh yeah i must be a troll. god forbid i'd try to whether or not the "tone" every guitar player thinks he has is real or not.


I agree that you're presence on this Forum from your first post seemed troll-ish. The brothers and sisters on this Forum are the most hospitable folks that I have ever encountered and so they are tolerating you I think in the hope that you will become a desirable member. I have my doubts, the rest is up to you now.

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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:20 pm
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well like it or not, im a member of your lovely club, and it is actually a lovely club. people from all walks of life just in love with fine instruments. i admit i did start a bit p**sed because im just fed up of thinking people are getting ripped off. but i think im starting to see that it's not just about what you hear. it's about what you feel for the instrument also


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Post subject: Re: What gives your guitar it's tone?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:22 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
You might liken it to how family members sound and look alike. I look very similar to my father, except for the fact that I'm 27 years younger and about 6 inches taller.

My nephew looks exactly like my brother, except for the 23 years age difference and about 5 inches shorter, my brother being taller.

My brother and I look nothing alike--he's 6'2" with dark hair and olive complexion, I'm 5'11" with dark blond hair and fair complexion.

However, with all the differences between the four of us, there are commonalities.

We all have very similar eyes (shape and color).
We all sound very similar in our speaking (and singing) voices.
We all walk alike.

But if some one knows us well, they can tell the difference in I our voices (on the phone, for example). When my brother was younger and he didn't want to talk to a particular girl, he would hand the phone to me and the girl wouldn't know that she wasn't talking to my 18-year-old brother-- they were actually talking to 12-year-old me, because my voice changed early. However, a couple of them heard the slight differences in timbre and tone, and I'd get off the phone quickly.

Similarly, There's often guitars that sound a lot alike because they're in the same family... but they are never exactly the same and a well trained ear can tell the difference. A Telecaster may a sound like another Telecaster but they're never completely identical. Even if they're in the same series or of the same type or even a specific signature (Clapton Strat or Slash Les Paul, for example) model, they will never sound absolutely identical.


i understand your argument here, but i think it's in the completely wrong context (respectfully).
The instruments of the same type arn't 5 inches shorter and wider etc. they're pretty much identical. the same way an identical twin would be identical.
As far as my argument goes saying that an american standard from 2003 and one from 2009 and a mexi strat, all with the same specs and made from the same wood. if you get me?


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