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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:09 am
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Congratulations! :D I love red Strats!


Were it Red or Pewter, this guitar goes beyond its finish. I mulled it over. We've talked about this run on several occasions but there was no way I could get a fast handle on what it's 'going rate' might be on the vintage market, or was I going to be in a price negotiating situation with this, not to mention the fact that there were 20 individuals 'watching' this listing. and you know what that could mean. :?

The OHSC looks like it's been dragged over 40 miles of bad road, and I don't see any intrinsic value in a beat up old tweed case, the design of which hasn't changed in decades, but the pics of the guitar show it to be nearly flawless for a 36 yo instrument. It deserves to be stored in a finer looking surrounding.

This guitar is out of the beginnings of the Custom Shop, dates, stamps, and with the pedigree of being in the pre-production run being readied for the '88 Winter NAMM introduction of the Clapton Series, prior to the final tweeking of specs for the production line. Today, a TK built guitar of the same specs would likely cost out at nearly the same street price as was being asked by the seller in this instance. As I said before, we've recognized this guitar in many of our Clapton discussions, but no one has ever mentioned seeing or having had their hands on one, but there it was. Big as life and nearly mint. It made no sense not to acquire it at the asking price, with the additional plus of sharing the experience with the group.


Its simply amazing looking.
Cant wait for a review of how it plays and sounds.

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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:28 am
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[quote="donnycraven] Its simply amazing looking.
Cant wait for a review of how it plays and sounds.[/quote]
My Pewter model's serial number is a three digist SE9..... which denotes '89, but the neck end date stamp is 3/90 and the neck pocket date is 5/90 so I would expect that it was assembled in May of 1990, with the serial number running behind owing to what we know about how Fender managed such things back then. The Pewter guitar on the cover of A.R.Duchossoir's book, is one of the prototypes, has a 21 fret neck but NOT the mini-toggle as did the Torino Red guitar Chromeface pictured for us elsewhere. It's stated that they eliminated the switch because Eric preferred the preamp to be operating continuously, but the reason for the laminated 22-fret board has never been articulated.

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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:43 am
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I thought this kind of thing only mattered with pre-1970 Fender guitars and basses. The rest is simply hype over some scrap parts and assembled overstock...with only a couple exceptions...early Clapton Signature guitars/first run SRV series.


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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:45 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
[quote="donnycraven] Its simply amazing looking.
Cant wait for a review of how it plays and sounds.[/quote]
My Pewter model's serial number is a three digist SE9..... which denotes '89, but the neck end date stamp is 3/90 and the neck pocket date is 5/90 so I would expect that it was assembled in May of 1990, with the serial number running behind owing to what we know about how Fender managed such things back then. The Pewter guitar on the cover of A.R.Duchossoir's book, is one of the prototypes, has a 21 fret neck but NOT the mini-toggle as did the Torino Red guitar Chromeface pictured for us elsewhere. It's stated that they eliminated the switch because Eric preferred the preamp to be operating continuously, but the reason for the laminated 22-fret board has never been articulated.[/quote]



Im sure Eric just wanted a 22nd fret like the rest of us that switch back n forth from strat to les paul. I think the switch is a really cool idea.

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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:47 am
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I thought this kind of thing only mattered with pre-1970 Fender guitars and basses. The rest is simply hype over some scrap parts and assembled overstock...with only a couple exceptions...early Clapton Signature guitars/first run SRV series.

Interested in your mindset with respect to 'this kind of thing'. In the automobile collector's world this guitar would be equivalent to a '57 Pontiac Bonneville in the evolution of the model, or a '61 Ford Edsel in terms of its rarity.

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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:26 pm
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"this kind of thing"

They used all their master builders, and looked for the prettiest pieces of wood they could find on the lumber stack. I bet they found some pre-cbs tooling and templates for that extra mojo. Maybe the bodies were actual leftovers from 1954, that didn't make the grade. Yay. There could be some of Leo's vintage notes shimmed in the neck pocket. Lloyd Loar's nephew quit Gibson for a week, and assembled it.

"My MIM/MIJ guitar has such and such features..and I could swear the blah blah is really U.S."

Yeah..there's a reason they didn't put that blah blah American part on a U.S. guitar, pal.

"My guitar has a bunch of X's for a serial number."

It's made of 2nd's from the U.S. factory that woulda went to the MIM factory anyway. Worse yet..some were probably made of throwaways. Love that vanilla paint job, btw. I've even seen one of these F Series guitars with a giant crack running down the face of the body, that had been factory puddied. Guess they were covering up that huge hole in the neck pocket.

Now you people are trying to tell me a guitar from the cheesiest, least collectible era of all time...is something of historical importance. I cherish Strats..but this.........


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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:17 pm
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WOW, you mad bro?


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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:39 pm
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Hm, this thread has suddenly taken an unexpected turn.

Doc: first, congrats on the purchase. I know what this one means to you.

However, others here won't. Folks, there's a bit of a story as to why ZZDoc had to pounce on this very early version of the Clapton Strat. Collectability is not the most important bit of it to him - he wants this thing for his hands and ears.

But you should be the one to say more about that, Doc! :)

A-a-a-anyway. Red guitars go faster - we all know that. 8)

Cheers - C

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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:19 pm
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[quote="WildintheStreets]Now you people are trying to tell me a guitar from the cheesiest, least collectible era of all time...is something of historical importance. I cherish Strats..but this.........[/quote]


This ......era is FMIC rising from the ashes: the startup of the Custom Shop. The R&D period within which the Vintage Plus project and the Signature Series Project grew out of the Elite Series guitar platform to become the Strat Plus and its progeny [www.xhefriguitars.com] and Eric Clapton Signature Series Stratoacasters, the latter of which is still in production 25+ years later. The guitar we're talking about was a step towards the final design specs of the latter, and considered by many, including myself, to be an important element in the story. If this remains a dark period in the history of the guitar for you, 'different strokes' I say. However, I've a few books on Fender history in my library which say otherwise.

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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:26 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Hm, this thread has suddenly taken an unexpected turn.
Doc: first, congrats on the purchase. I know what this one means to you.However, others here won't.


Thanks mate. 'You can please some of the people some of the time. You can please some of the people all of the time. You can't please all of the people all of the time.' :wink:

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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
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WildintheStreets wrote:
"this kind of thing"

They used all their master builders, and looked for the prettiest pieces of wood they could find on the lumber stack. I bet they found some pre-cbs tooling and templates for that extra mojo. Maybe the bodies were actual leftovers from 1954, that didn't make the grade. Yay. There could be some of Leo's vintage notes shimmed in the neck pocket. Lloyd Loar's nephew quit Gibson for a week, and assembled it.

"My MIM/MIJ guitar has such and such features..and I could swear the blah blah is really U.S."

Yeah..there's a reason they didn't put that blah blah American part on a U.S. guitar, pal.

"My guitar has a bunch of X's for a serial number."

It's made of 2nd's from the U.S. factory that woulda went to the MIM factory anyway. Worse yet..some were probably made of throwaways. Love that vanilla paint job, btw. I've even seen one of these F Series guitars with a giant crack running down the face of the body, that had been factory puddied. Guess they were covering up that huge hole in the neck pocket.

Now you people are trying to tell me a guitar from the cheesiest, least collectible era of all time...is something of historical importance. I cherish Strats..but this.........

What a way to piss on someone's parade.


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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:50 pm
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Oh..well I haven't been outta the slammer long enough to get my meds in check, I guess. I thought this thread was somehow directed at someone else. Carry on.

That is a damn fine looking guitar, I must say.


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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:03 pm
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What a way to piss on someone's parade.


Aww...Just let it float. Those for whom the acquisiton of this guitar and the sharing thereof will be a positive need not pull the chain. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:08 pm
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It just amazes me at some of the things people say for nothing other that to start crap. You got yourself a fine guitar with a pedigree in red which I for one would enjoy very much myself. I at least hope we will get to hear it. Congrats


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Post subject: Re: IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO BOUGHT IT.....I DID!
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:12 pm
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Back on topic, any thought at this time as to replacing the case? The Strat looks near mint, but the case I saw has certainly taken it's lumps.Thanks for sharing your new axe with us.Craig


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