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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:35 am
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There's also those members of my family whose work product are protected by same.

Ah-ha - indeed!

In the same way, Carl Perkins is certainly someone who saw the point of copyright. And JJ Cale. And Bob Marley. And all those writers of long forgotten tracks that suddenly got a new lease of life on the soundtracks of the likes of Quentin Taranino and others.

If Elvis had said to Carl Perkins, "Hey, I'm just giving you some free publicity, man", Carl would have said, "Sure, sure: meet my lawyer". :lol:

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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:57 am
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strings10927 wrote:
considering this is a musician's forum, I'd expect more people to lean in the direction of the artists rights. I guess not. :?

Any photographers or graphic artists out there? Do you let people post your images on their website, as long as it's just for fun?


See things are more complicated than black and white. My long comment above shows another aspect of this: corporate copyright owners BEING HAPPY that covers are on youtube. This is literally true. It is just another form of advertising like radio or TV was in the old days. I won't type it all again but see my other comment.... sometimes the copyright owner tags a video and leaves it on youtube and adds advertising to it. Not considered by the copyright owner to violate its rights, literally, as they could remove the video but they do NOT and they leave it there, add their advertising and a link to buy the real song. Youtube is just TV/radio where the end user gets to pick what to watch and when...only cost is an internet account.

I just noticed that several of my vids have been tagged in this way...if they can find my stupid little vids that are all me, not playing along with the real track, then they DO have the technical ability to find and shut everyone down if they wanted to.

This is literally true: Geffen Records, Inc. found my Nirvana cover, recognized that it was a cover of their copyrighted song, and chose to LEAVE my video on youtube while adding advertising for the real Nirvana box set that just came out. LOL.


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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:09 am
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if an artist is happy to 'share' their work, it doesn't mean all artists should be obligated to do the same.

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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:18 am
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If you're going to post vids on YouTube, show some real talent and post something original not a copy or cover, or are you afraid some one might steal your creative work like the copy cats do?


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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:32 am
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nothing wrong with covers. I can name quite a few that were better or more popular than the original tune. You just have to do everything legally or accept the consequences if you don't.

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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:43 am
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strings10927 wrote:
considering this is a musician's forum, I'd expect more people to lean in the direction of the artists right.

You would think so. However, I bet there was a host of journeyman musicians participating in that file sharing fiasco that Metallica went up against several years ago. Considering Herwanna's foregoing comments, the authors and copyright holders are burning the candle on both ends and not getting singed. They are exercising their right to determine who does what with their work product and profiting by same. Word to the wise...if you have an issue with it, don't be the outlet for them to facilitate that advantage.

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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:54 am
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[quote="Ceri]If Elvis had said to Carl Perkins, "Hey, I'm just giving you some free publicity, man", Carl would have said, "Sure, sure: meet my lawyer". :lol: Cheers - C[/quote]
Yah! Perkins was in a nasty auto accident and couldn't promote 'Blue Suede Shoes' as an artist, losing the publicity as being the singer/song writer of it. :? I'd love to know how well he made out on the mechanicals. :?: Then there's Pat Boone's 'ivory does ebony' cover of Little Richard's 'Tutti Fruitti'. Ever see video of Boone performing that song? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:02 am
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
If you're going to post vids on YouTube, show some real talent and post something original not a copy or cover, or are you afraid some one might steal your creative work like the copy cats do?


I have lots of originals up and they have a copyright notice


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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:44 am
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strings10927 wrote:
if an artist is happy to 'share' their work, it doesn't mean all artists should be obligated to do the same.


It appears there are two parallel-but-not-overlapping lines of discussion on this thread: (1) mistreatment of "the little guy" artist who actually wrote the music and (2) copyright owners. Often (or always, in the case of any mainstream record, even those published by "independent" labels like SubPop) the copyright owner is, for example, Geffen Records, Inc., even though Kurt Cobain put his blood, sweat and tears into writing the song.

Okay....if that's a problem, that's another thing to complain about, but what one is complaining about there is our system that makes it difficult for any musician to distribute his work while keeping the copyright. Even a small band like Iron & Wine is a good example. Most people, even guitar lovers on this website, have never hear of Iron & Wine or Sam Beam. I have posted about him many times here. Sam Beam has written literally dozens of (IMO) amazingly great songs, both lyrically and sonically. His first two albums were literally recorded by him alone in his bedroom using cheap equipment, but when he got Sub Pop to release it professionally, who do you thinks at this very moment owns the copyright to Sam's amazing songs? And Sub Pop is still basically a little guy outfit, out to get fresh artists a chance. One might argue that big corporations take advantage of the little guy in all sorts of contexts.

Ok..... but the part of this thread about the copyright owner (not necessarily "the artist") is different. It is simply a fact that the megapowerful big corporation copyright owners--whether it is right or wrong that they own the copyrights--darn well know about youtube and approve of it. They....sorry to repeat myself one more time...find covers on youtube, tag them, do NOT make youtube take them down even though they could do that if they wanted to, and then basically appropriate the video by adding advertising to it and even controlling its parameters such as whether it can be viewed on a mobile phone.

The ripped off artist who "shared his work" but is now unhappy did that when he signed the rights over to Geffen Records, Inc. in the parking lot. Now Geffen Records owns the copyright (the intellectual property) and Geffen loves it when people give it free advertising by doing cover songs on youtube.

Another way to read your comment quoted above can also be addressed by saying you seem to be complaining, in one respect, that youtube even is allowed to exist at all. Okay....an argument can be made for that. But youtube as it exists is not in any way "obligating" copyright owners to share their work.....copyright owners (could be the artist) absolutely can request that youtube removed the videos and youtube will do that. In other words, youtube honors requests of copyright holders who find violating videos.

Again we get back to big corporation issue.....Geffen Records somehow works with youtube to find violators, but little guy might not have a good way to do that.... if anyone has ripped off any of my original jams right now, I don't know how to find those vids except by title if they have titled the vid correctly.


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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:11 am
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Okay....if that's a problem, that's another thing to complain about, but what one is complaining about there is our system that makes it difficult for any musician to distribute his work while keeping the copyright.

Examine the career and history of Joe Bonamassa's business model and learn what's possible in controlling the whole kit and kaboodle. :idea: That's the kind of organization one has to establish for oneself. Talent, time, perseverance, and good business managment is what it takes.

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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:40 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
Again we get back to big corporation issue.....Geffen Records somehow works with youtube to find violators, but little guy might not have a good way to do that.... if anyone has ripped off any of my original jams right now, I don't know how to find those vids except by title if they have titled the vid correctly.


If that's a concern, don't post your original content on YouTube. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:52 am
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strings10927 wrote:
nothing wrong with covers. I can name quite a few that were better or more popular than the original tune. You just have to do everything legally or accept the consequences if you don't.

I agree completely, but, as someone who was "educated" by BMI lawyers way before Al Gore invented the internet, I follow the law to the letter. :)


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Post subject: Re: YouTube and Copyright Infringement
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:02 pm
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Most artists don't give a damn if someone posts a cover of one of there songs on youtube and it gets a few thousand views. It's not worth pursuing that person for royalty payments, the uploader has made no money from the performance so a lot of songwriters really wouldn't care unless it gets released comercially, in which case they would naturally expect royalties.

The place where artists and record companies lose money is when people infringe mechanical copyright i.e. they simply upload a full album or use a copyright recording without permission. There's no excuse for the vast numbers of CD's uploaded to youtube, that's really taking someone's work and giving it away without their permission. And it's even more galling when the idiot youtube user says "I do not own the copyright, no offence intended".

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