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Post subject: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:46 am
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Does a 2X12 naturally provide a slight chorus effect to any extent that a guitarist might prefer 2X12 for that reason? It seems like as a matter of physics, a 2X12 has 2 speakers singing next to each other about 4 or 6 inches apart.

Or if one is actually using some type of chorus effect, would the 2X12 do it better than a 1X12 (assume the 1X12 is otherwise plenty powerful enough with plenty of headroom for the user's desires--such as DRRI, which, of course, is gigged all over the place).

Now here is the part where some of you will laugh at me, but bear with me. At least my threads are not spam. Happy to entertain you here.

Okay....so as some of you know I have a Mustang 4 amp, which is 150W (solid state) and 2X12. For my amateur purposes, it sounds great (to me) and has waaaaaaaay more headroom than I can come close to using. One point of the modeling amp--and many would agree with me that Fender has taken it to a new level with the Mustang line--is the ability to mimic high gain and other various tones while keeping volume at practice levels (don't need to actually push tubes to get breakup). Many will tell me that my $425 (what I actually paid) Mustang is not even close to being in the same league with a DRRI's clean tone, apples to apples. Perhaps that's true. I still have not tried a DRRI because I already know it's way too loud for my current living and nongigging status, and I'm not going to go use GC's amp when I know I have no intention of buying.

Here's the laugh part: again, I happen to like my Mustang's abilities, so much so that I almost feel like *any* 1X12 (or the 1X10 of a Princeton Reverb) would be a downgrade, even though I know in my heart that there is a reason the DRRI is $1,000 and the Mustang is a toy that is $425. I say downgrade because of the 2X12 factor. My Mustang's 2X12 absolutely (for my home purposes) *does* give some pretty cool sounds with chorus and other similar effects (e.g., vibratone, which I posted about last week) and very sparkly shimmering cleans while also having tons of low end (IMO) on the basic amp models.

In my defense, over on the mustang section of this forum--where admittedly one finds mustang enthusiasts and it's a whole different crowd over there and many are probably people like me who have never owned a tube amp--one does find gigging players with much experience saying they sold their DRRI or Princeton or it sits unused since they got their Mustang.

In short, is there any kind of feeling of "once you go 2X12 you'll never go back to 1X12" even if 2X12 is a Mustang solid state amp, or am I the first person to have this thought?


DISCLAIMER: I'm bored at work. All of my posting is done at work. When I'm home and free to do so, I practice *playing* my guitar. Please don't consider me one of the forum members who spends too much time fretting over stuff like this *when I could be practicing*. When I can be practicing my playing, I am practicing. Nobody here has ever read a post by me on this forum that was posted when I was in my home and free to actually play my guitar.


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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:15 pm
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It sounds like you are seeking absolution for your choice of amp.

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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:23 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
It sounds like you are seeking absolution for your choice of amp.

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I know it does, but I swear, I honestly have this fear that I won't like sound coming out of little 1X10 Princeton when I already have the Twin-sized 2X12 (admittedly solid state) amp.

I'm sure Princeton is great but honestly the fear is that I will regret the $900 purchase since I'm talking about home playing. I'm not stuck with the amp I have and trying to justify it. I can go buy a DRRI today if I decide it would be worth it.

Like perhaps I should just wait and get a bigger tube amp (such as Twin) when I'm actually in band and need to cut through a mix.

In other words, what is the purpose of a Princeton with a 10" speaker other than I guess for recording? Still too loud for apartment but not powerful enough for most stages (I know some disagree with that). Or.....since 150W mustang has so much headroom....is it possible that Mustang with 2X12 with volume at 30% of what it can do can sound better for clean coffee shop tone than Princeton with 1X10 with volume on 6 or 7? It's tube but the sound is still coming out of one 10" speaker instead of 2 12s.

And again, what prompted this line of inquiry in the first place is that I have read numerous comments from gigging musicians saying they gig with their mustang and either sold their DRRI or it collects dust. My initial inclination would have been just to think "of course" I want a DRRI. The mustang's cleans sound sparkling (also very touch sensitive) to me and others who might know seem to agree with me. Perhaps it's my OCD but I kind of like the "feeling" that I'm not even close to pushing towards the limits of the headroom when playing clean...I'm sitting there looking at 2 huge Celestian 12s and feel like they are just loving being clean.


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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:33 pm
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Generally speaking, the larger driver will afford a broader, more robustly detailed frequency response (when such a comparsion is performed using similar cabinet configurations).

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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:45 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
It sounds like you are seeking absolution for your choice of amp.

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Aren't we all... ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:53 pm
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Her Wanna wrote:
the Mustang is a toy that is $425.


ouch :?

I bet I've played for bigger audiences with my 'toy' than most of the tube amp titans on the forum have.

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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:17 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
the Mustang is a toy that is $425.


ouch :?

I bet I've played for bigger audiences with my 'toy' than most of the tube amp titans on the forum have.


Cool. That's what I like to hear.


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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:25 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
... I bet I've played for bigger audiences with my 'toy' than most of the tube amp titans on the forum have.


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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:48 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
the Mustang is a toy that is $425.


ouch :?

I bet I've played for bigger audiences with my 'toy' than most of the tube amp titans on the forum have.


Aren't they all toys? Makes no difference what you pay for an amp or if it's tube or solid state. It's the end result that counts. Some folks here have played some fairly large venues.

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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:54 pm
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If your trying to justify your amp over another maybe you need to really think about that abit. Your either happy with it or your not. And if your just paying for yourself at home what does it matter. Pros use what they use for several reasons and a lot of times it's because of sponsorship


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Yep. I use what sounds good to me and helps me make some money. It needs to be reliable and work when I need it to work otherwise it's just another POS just like my HRDlx was. Tone you can tweak somewhat. Poor design, manufacturing shortcuts and unreliable products can't. Say what you want, but see if that Mustang will give you flawless performance night after night for 30+ years like my Twin did. That's where the rubber hits the road. Not how many people you play for.

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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:47 pm
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Then again, one might not need an amp that's reliable, can be handled by anyone, and works for 30 years. Some might be better served with a stationary amp that the wife won't kill you for putting in the living room, and that sounds good at low volumes. Others might go for sound quality only. Or convenience of having three guitars plugged in at once. Or not having to daisy-chain five stomp boxes. Or...

So it's a good thing there are so many amps to choose from, no?


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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:50 pm
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arth1 wrote:
So it's a good thing there are so many amps to choose from, no?


Indeed.

It's just tragic that there are so few truly good ones being made today......

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Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:30 pm
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Say what you want, but see if that Mustang will give you flawless performance night after night for 30+ years like my Twin did. That's where the rubber hits the road. Not how many people you play for.


For the price of one Twin amp, I can buy 4 Mustang III's. And I won't have a giant lobster arm on one side from carrying them around. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: 2X12 vs. 1X12
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:38 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
63supro wrote:
Say what you want, but see if that Mustang will give you flawless performance night after night for 30+ years like my Twin did. That's where the rubber hits the road. Not how many people you play for.


For the price of one Twin amp, I can buy 4 Mustang III's. And I won't have a giant lobster arm on one side from carrying them around. :lol:


Actually, you probably could buy four, and my had had wheels. :lol:
For little while we used friend as roadies. Wasn't really the best way to go especially when they were drunk. :lol:

Seriously, it all depends on your needs and how important tone and reliability are to you. I don't like digital effects at all, but I do like a couple of solid state amps. Can't stand modeling amps. To each his own though. If it works for you, that's great.

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