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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:42 am
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People are telling me to get it refinished because it's not "my wear"


that's ridiculous, IMO.


People are ridiculous.

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:55 am
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I mean, the guitar is from 1979, it's all legit wear. It's just someone else's


That is not a relic then.


It's a natural worn thing.

People are telling me to get it refinished because it's not "my wear"

Does it make me a poser/wannabe because I'm not sure what I'm going to do? (aesthetically speaking.)


Of course not. Buying a guitar with real wear because it plays well is different from buying one with fake wear because of the fake wear.

If the wear and age affects your playing, sure, fix it. Get the rust off frets, fix shaky pots, that sort of thing :)


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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:03 am
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This is a pretty ridiculous example of paying a lot of money for it to look like $@!&.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/bass/fen ... -jazz-bass

I don’t know which is worse… paying this kind of loot for the damaged look or buying new and damaging a perfectly good guitar yourself just to make it “Look cool”… I suppose the latter. I had a Luke Skywalker Battle Damage X-Wing Fighter as a kid though… that was pretty cool.

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:14 am
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I like my equipment as shiny as possible. I worked my $@! off to be able to buy them even after giving all the money I do to my ex wife.


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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:20 am
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This is a pretty ridiculous example of paying a lot of money for it to look like $@!&.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/bass/fen ... -jazz-bass

I don’t know which is worse… paying this kind of loot for the damaged look or buying new and damaging a perfectly good guitar yourself just to make it “Look cool”… I suppose the latter. I had a Luke Skywalker Battle Damage X-Wing Fighter as a kid though… that was pretty cool.


You think that is bad? Now, this is bad:
http://shop.rebelrelic.com/index.php?ro ... uct_id=346


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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:49 am
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Of course not. Buying a guitar with real wear because it plays well is different from buying one with fake wear because of the fake wear.

If the wear and age affects your playing, sure, fix it. Get the rust off frets, fix shaky pots, that sort of thing :)


Everything is fine, minus the frets (which are probably getting upgraded to stainless in December) A toggle switch for the treble bleeder (another $50 fix) and the tuners. (Plain old and worn with one that's non original, going with Grovers) I'm also probably going to get a new nut. I'm thinking about getting a brass nut. (generally, with a refret the nut needs replacing due to new height of frets)

It plays really well, considering the problems. The tuners are starting to slip, however. I think that's the most urgent thing, considering the frets do have a little bit of life left. I just don't want to let it get to the point of being completely unplayable.

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:43 pm
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Isn't a classic Sun-burst finish just an early form of relicing?
Was it not intended to give the guitar an air of integrity by imitating the darkening of the wood on fine old instruments ?

Buxom, sorry mate but there's no way that Guild of yours is naturally worn.


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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:04 pm
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Explain. It was like that when I got it.

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:14 pm
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boxbang wrote:
Isn't a classic Sun-burst finish just an early form of relicing?
Was it not intended to give the guitar an air of integrity by imitating the darkening of the wood on fine old instruments ?


Yes and no. It imitates one of the effects of how lacquered instruments age, but without pretending to be an old instrument, which relicing does.


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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:18 pm
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I have no issues with relicing, I mean I'd never have one myself but if someone likes it better and enjoys playing it more then so be it. Each to their own.


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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:47 pm
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Nothing wrong with other people's wear--if it's natural.
Nothing wrong with your own--although the first one really hurts, until you get over it & move on.

The question though, is--if I buy a relic guitar and then I get a chip or dent or scratch on it--have I added to the value or detracted from it?

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:31 am
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Buxom, I'm not saying you did it yourself. Poly finishes just don't wear like that. Looks good anyhow. No offense intended.

To answer Zontar's question-
I play my old National daily. The paint flakes easily. I'm just adding to it's 80 years of honest play-wear. The value should remain the same or increase IMO.

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:18 am
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boxbang wrote:
Buxom, I'm not saying you did it yourself. Poly finishes just don't wear like that. Looks good anyhow. No offense intended.



Uhh, it's nitro, dude.

I don't know why you'd think it was poly.

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:01 am
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I agree for the most part, but at the same time I have seen some relic finishes that I thought looked really cool. I wouldn't go pay several thousand dollars for a guitar (or jeans, or anything else) that looks like it's been through the ringer, though. My black and yellow strat copy was basically new when I got it, and I can account for every dent and scratch on it... it's beat up pretty good and I think it looks cool, but I probably couldn't get more than 10 bucks for it at a pawn shop.

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Post subject: Re: Article on relic guitars
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:26 am
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GilgaFrank wrote:
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What happens if we found it like that?

Pay someone to refinish it.

I did that in 1969. Sent my '58 Strat out to CBS-Fender [/i] in CA to have it refinished...to take out some of the dings and scrapes. They [i]replaced the body. Did'nt learn the truth of it until 25 years later when I had it appraised by Mandolin Bros. on Staten Island, NY.

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