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Deal with it. Other parts of the world have had it a lot worse for a considerable while longer, perhaps its time the US started thinking about conservation? Get rid of all those gas guzzlers and maybe start buying cars which'll deal with the situation better?


In Europe a big part of the price per gallon (or liter) are taxes. Taxes are much higher for gas in that part of the world. Why it's always cost more than the U.S.


Don't kid yourself. In Chicago, we have more than a $1.00 in taxes between Local, State and Federal. If the government wanted to help, they would lower the taxes.


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Deal with it. Other parts of the world have had it a lot worse for a considerable while longer, perhaps its time the US started thinking about conservation? Get rid of all those gas guzzlers and maybe start buying cars which'll deal with the situation better?


In Europe a big part of the price per gallon (or liter) are taxes. Taxes are much higher for gas in that part of the world. Why it's always cost more than the U.S.


Don't kid yourself. In Chicago, we have more than a $1.00 in taxes between Local, State and Federal. If the government wanted to help, they would lower the taxes.


In a newspaper article today:

U.S.-12% of the cost of gas to the consumer is taxes

UK-50% of the cost of gas to the sonsumer is taxes.

I agree, the governments could help the people, but sure as heck, they'll never give up up their taxes.


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Syeklops wrote:
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Syeklops wrote:
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Deal with it. Other parts of the world have had it a lot worse for a considerable while longer, perhaps its time the US started thinking about conservation? Get rid of all those gas guzzlers and maybe start buying cars which'll deal with the situation better?


In Europe a big part of the price per gallon (or liter) are taxes. Taxes are much higher for gas in that part of the world. Why it's always cost more than the U.S.


Don't kid yourself. In Chicago, we have more than a $1.00 in taxes between Local, State and Federal. If the government wanted to help, they would lower the taxes.


In a newspaper article today:

U.S.-12% of the cost of gas to the consumer is taxes

UK-50% of the cost of gas to the sonsumer is taxes.

I agree, the governments could help the people, but sure as heck, they'll never give up up their taxes.


I am not sure that is totally accurate...Sales tax in Chicago alone 11%. Then there is State and Federal Excise taxes, underground storage taxes...etc.

The last statistic I saw on the wholesale pricing showed that the raw product (oil) is @ 68% of the cost, then refining was @ 5%, profit was @ 8%, the balance was federal taxes. After that it goes to the local dealer and they mark it up and then taxes get added on again.


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bruno690 wrote:
Syeklops wrote:
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Deal with it. Other parts of the world have had it a lot worse for a considerable while longer, perhaps its time the US started thinking about conservation? Get rid of all those gas guzzlers and maybe start buying cars which'll deal with the situation better?


In Europe a big part of the price per gallon (or liter) are taxes. Taxes are much higher for gas in that part of the world. Why it's always cost more than the U.S.


Don't kid yourself. In Chicago, we have more than a $1.00 in taxes between Local, State and Federal. If the government wanted to help, they would lower the taxes.


In a newspaper article today:

U.S.-12% of the cost of gas to the consumer is taxes

UK-50% of the cost of gas to the sonsumer is taxes.

I agree, the governments could help the people, but sure as heck, they'll never give up up their taxes.


I am not sure that is totally accurate...Sales tax in Chicago alone 11%. Then there is State and Federal Excise taxes, underground storage taxes...etc.

The last statistic I saw on the wholesale pricing showed that the raw product (oil) is @ 68% of the cost, then refining was @ 5%, profit was @ 8%, the balance was federal taxes. After that it goes to the local dealer and they mark it up and then taxes get added on again.


Perhaps it's wrong. It's what the article quoted. Maybe Chicago just has some extra taxes added in, locally. Anyway...here is the article where I got the figures. It's about halfway into the article.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 9b2rPXKVBY


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Howard County Md. 3.97 per Gal. 41.9 cents of that is tax. We have to
use Oxygenated gas also cuts back gas mileage they say by 10% but
they claim less pollution which I dont believe since you use more of it
due to the milege loss. Now the oxadizer is E10 it was METB 2 years
ago when they found it did not pollute the air but it polluted drinking
water in wells. Howard County third wealthest county in US,next county
over Montgomery County six wealthest county in the US. In Md. if you
can tax it they will.


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cvilleira wrote:
Howard County Md. 3.97 per Gal. 41.9 cents of that is tax. We have to
use Oxygenated gas also cuts back gas mileage they say by 10% but
they claim less pollution which I dont believe since you use more of it
due to the milege loss. Now the oxadizer is E10 it was METB 2 years
ago when they found it did not pollute the air but it polluted drinking
water in wells. Howard County third wealthest county in US,next county
over Montgomery County six wealthest county in the US. In Md. if you
can tax it they will.

Oxygenated just means it's full fo air bubbles, they're selling you air in your tank for the price of gas. That's a very creative way for the Oil Companies to take advantage of you.

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cvilleira wrote:
Howard County Md. 3.97 per Gal. 41.9 cents of that is tax. We have to
use Oxygenated gas also cuts back gas mileage they say by 10% but
they claim less pollution which I dont believe since you use more of it
due to the milege loss. Now the oxadizer is E10 it was METB 2 years
ago when they found it did not pollute the air but it polluted drinking
water in wells. Howard County third wealthest county in US,next county
over Montgomery County six wealthest county in the US. In Md. if you
can tax it they will.

Oxygenated just means it's full fo air bubbles, they're selling you air in your tank for the price of gas. That's a very creative way for the Oil Companies to take advantage of you.
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It is suppose to make it burn cleaner the state makes them due it E10 is the additive used now as said it was MTEB that was used to help it burn cleaner. As
you no air makes thing burn better . And if you check you would find
the oil companies do not like making this gas because it seems that
many state have there own version that they want to use. Plus many
law suits are being filed againts the oil companies because of MTBE
pollution when it was the state that told them they had to use it.
Believe me Md.is like a three ring circus. We have had one party
running this state both house and exceutive for over 50 years but
for one Gov. for 4 years who could not pass anything. We have the
12th highest property tax 6% sales tax their is only 7 states whith
higher average care insuranse we are like ranked 19 in income tax
and that went up this year again. We have county piggyback tax
which were I live is 60% of what the state gets. They deregulated
gas and electric because it will save us money, well mine was around
150 a month most of the time in 2 years is now 388 a month and
just told us its going up 10% more. I blame the state not oil company
and you no how you said Republican are 95% to blame for gas well
in Md.then you would have to say Democrats because that is all it
has been for over 50 years. They can felons and get elected here.


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cvilleira wrote:
FirstMeasure wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Howard County Md. 3.97 per Gal. 41.9 cents of that is tax. We have to
use Oxygenated gas also cuts back gas mileage they say by 10% but
they claim less pollution which I dont believe since you use more of it
due to the milege loss. Now the oxadizer is E10 it was METB 2 years
ago when they found it did not pollute the air but it polluted drinking
water in wells. Howard County third wealthest county in US,next county
over Montgomery County six wealthest county in the US. In Md. if you
can tax it they will.

Oxygenated just means it's full fo air bubbles, they're selling you air in your tank for the price of gas. That's a very creative way for the Oil Companies to take advantage of you.
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It is suppose to make it burn cleaner the state makes them due it E10 is the additive used now as said it was MTEB that was used to help it burn cleaner. As
you no air makes thing burn better . And if you check you would find
the oil companies do not like making this gas because it seems that
many state have there own version that they want to use. Plus many
law suits are being filed againts the oil companies because of MTBE
pollution when it was the state that told them they had to use it.
Believe me Md.is like a three ring circus. We have had one party
running this state both house and exceutive for over 50 years but
for one Gov. for 4 years who could not pass anything. We have the
12th highest property tax 6% sales tax their is only 7 states whith
higher average care insuranse we are like ranked 19 in income tax
and that went up this year again. We have county piggyback tax
which were I live is 60% of what the state gets. They deregulated
gas and electric because it will save us money, well mine was around
150 a month most of the time in 2 years is now 388 a month and
just told us its going up 10% more. I blame the state not oil company
and you no how you said Republican are 95% to blame for gas well
in Md.then you would have to say Democrats because that is all it
has been for over 50 years. They can felons and get elected here.

No, I'd say it's time for MD to shake up it's State Government. It sounds like MD will just take what comes, and leave Bad Enough alone, that's a dangerous political attitude. Go ahead and try voting for Republicans, You'll find the Democrats work better when they feel their Job is in danger. Like I said before, Fire the Party, or Person that does a bad Job, that's how We The People keep our elected officials in Check. Or, if you're dissatisfied with both Partiers, as most people are, go out and Support a third party, but do it in Earnest, to the hilt. I have yet to find a Third party that has anything close to it's act together. I've always wanted a middle ground Political Party, but that's just not happinin' on this world of Mega Media.

I don't know if you realize it or not, but all your arguments are "Dead End" arguments. "Leave it the way it is because it's to Broken" is a cop out. "Let's demand out representative fix the problem" is a little more constructive, wouldn't you say?

"By The Way, that' "Burns Cleaner" line, is the Smoke they use to blow up your Undies.

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A lot of it has to do with deregulation of the investment industry. The futures markets used to be regulated to avoid just this...unnecessary price run ups for no apparent reason. Following the republican play book, the industry was deregulated so the rich could make more money which, of course, would trickle down to us average folks in the form of higher paying jobs, better benefits, etc...

Of course that never happens. All deregulation has ever done is give the rich license to take money from the middle class and keep it.

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A lot of it has to do with deregulation of the investment industry. The futures markets used to be regulated to avoid just this...unnecessary price run ups for no apparent reason. Following the republican play book, the industry was deregulated so the rich could make more money which, of course, would trickle down to us average folks in the form of higher paying jobs, better benefits, etc...

Of course that never happens. All deregulation has ever done is give the rich license to take money from the middle class and keep it.

Absolutly! And by rich, you don't mean guys who can afford a custom Strat Collection, but the Filthy Wealthy that collect Media Outlets like we collect Guitars.

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And by rich, you don't mean guys who can afford a custom Strat Collection, but the Filthy Wealthy that collect Media Outlets like we collect Guitars.


Aaahhh, so it's the Media Outlet collectors who are buying up the limited edition "Blackies" and "Frankenstrats" and ... the real vintage guitars!

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Highbinder wrote:
Deal with it. Other parts of the world have had it a lot worse for a considerable while longer, perhaps its time the US started thinking about conservation? Get rid of all those gas guzzlers and maybe start buying cars which'll deal with the situation better?

has anyone checked the stats on gasoline consumption since the 70's when all the car companies started pushing 4 cyl engines and fuel economy? americans are burning more gasoline now than ever.
best thing i ever did was to stop driving to work. i run a shop out of my garage. my f-150 with a 5.4 triton v-8 only leaves the driveway when it gets paid to do so.
i used to drive 45 miles each way when i worked for the "other guy".

point is... if you have a talent, a trade, something you like to do.. find a pair of cohones and stop driving to work. DIY as Peter Gabriel put it.

i just got back from a 1-hour joy ride in my 69 mustang... enjoyed every minute of it.
stop whining about the gas guzzlers because i have two of them and, on a yearly basis i'm using 1/10th the amount of gas anybody uses who drives 10 miles to work and 10 miles back every day.

i drive a truck because i have to. i drive my mustang because i like to. i'd rather do that then drink, smoke, or aquire an illegal smile.

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FirstMeasure wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
A lot of it has to do with deregulation of the investment industry. The futures markets used to be regulated to avoid just this...unnecessary price run ups for no apparent reason. Following the republican play book, the industry was deregulated so the rich could make more money which, of course, would trickle down to us average folks in the form of higher paying jobs, better benefits, etc...

Of course that never happens. All deregulation has ever done is give the rich license to take money from the middle class and keep it.

Absolutly! And by rich, you don't mean guys who can afford a custom Strat Collection, but the Filthy Wealthy that collect Media Outlets like we collect Guitars.

Oh yeah, I'm talking about the Rolls Royce crew with $500 million dollar severance packages for when they get fired and go on to another job with a $500 million dollar severace package.

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FrankieTheKid wrote:
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Deal with it. Other parts of the world have had it a lot worse for a considerable while longer, perhaps its time the US started thinking about conservation? Get rid of all those gas guzzlers and maybe start buying cars which'll deal with the situation better?

has anyone checked the stats on gasoline consumption since the 70's when all the car companies started pushing 4 cyl engines and fuel economy? americans are burning more gasoline now than ever.
best thing i ever did was to stop driving to work. i run a shop out of my garage. my f-150 with a 5.4 triton v-8 only leaves the driveway when it gets paid to do so.
i used to drive 45 miles each way when i worked for the "other guy".

point is... if you have a talent, a trade, something you like to do.. find a pair of cohones and stop driving to work. DIY as Peter Gabriel put it.

i just got back from a 1-hour joy ride in my 69 mustang... enjoyed every minute of it.
stop whining about the gas guzzlers because i have two of them and, on a yearly basis i'm using 1/10th the amount of gas anybody uses who drives 10 miles to work and 10 miles back every day.

i drive a truck because i have to. i drive my mustang because i like to. i'd rather do that then drink, smoke, or aquire an illegal smile.

So you suggest everyone work out of thier garage? That'll fix everything? Also, you haven't seen the more recent studies? The one done this year by AAA that says Americans are using 25% less gas this year then last, but prices still go up. So much for your conservation theory.

It's great that you (and I) are in a position to work out of our homes, or at least near the office. But I can't turn a blind eye to all those people that expected to "join the work force" after Highschool, and don't have the skills, or the local economy to work out of their own home. After all, that used to be a viable way to feed your family. Now you have to be a self employed business owner to make ends meet? You describe a symptom, not a cure.

Plus your inference that gas prices are high because people Drink and Smoke is a little nutty. That is what you meant by,"i drive a truck because i have to. i drive my mustang because i like to. i'd rather do that then drink, smoke, or aquire an illegal smile", isn't it?

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FirstMeasure wrote:
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Highbinder wrote:
Deal with it. Other parts of the world have had it a lot worse for a considerable while longer, perhaps its time the US started thinking about conservation? Get rid of all those gas guzzlers and maybe start buying cars which'll deal with the situation better?

has anyone checked the stats on gasoline consumption since the 70's when all the car companies started pushing 4 cyl engines and fuel economy? americans are burning more gasoline now than ever.
best thing i ever did was to stop driving to work. i run a shop out of my garage. my f-150 with a 5.4 triton v-8 only leaves the driveway when it gets paid to do so.
i used to drive 45 miles each way when i worked for the "other guy".

point is... if you have a talent, a trade, something you like to do.. find a pair of cohones and stop driving to work. DIY as Peter Gabriel put it.

i just got back from a 1-hour joy ride in my 69 mustang... enjoyed every minute of it.
stop whining about the gas guzzlers because i have two of them and, on a yearly basis i'm using 1/10th the amount of gas anybody uses who drives 10 miles to work and 10 miles back every day.

i drive a truck because i have to. i drive my mustang because i like to. i'd rather do that then drink, smoke, or aquire an illegal smile.

So you suggest everyone work out of thier garage? That'll fix everything? Also, you haven't seen the more recent studies? The one done this year by AAA that says Americans are using 25% less gas this year then last, but prices still go up. So much for your conservation theory.

It's great that you (and I) are in a position to work out of our homes, or at least near the office. But I can't turn a blind eye to all those people that expected to "join the work force" after Highschool, and don't have the skills, or the local economy to work out of their own home. After all, that used to be a viable way to feed your family. Now you have to be a self employed business owner to make ends meet? You describe a symptom, not a cure.

Plus your inference that gas prices are high because people Drink and Smoke is a little nutty. That is what you meant by,"i drive a truck because i have to. i drive my mustang because i like to. i'd rather do that then drink, smoke, or aquire an illegal smile", isn't it?


Everyone knows illegal smiles lead to high gas prices. :roll:

How unfair is it to blame people for not living 2 mintues away from their jobs? America is laid out without central towns or villiages. America has been designed for outlaying suburbs and driving distances to work on our wonderful interstate system. Blaming people for not being close to work when gas prices go up is ludicris. The problem isn't supply, demand, driving habits...it's gouging plain and simple. There's absolutely no correlation between price and supply now. Conservation won't help one bit. All conservation does is keep junior from playing soccer this year.

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