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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:37 am
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...You're right about England, but that was 200 years ago! .....and Bush might not believe in Global warming, but that doesn't mean that nobody else should.

...We might need to make space to grow bio-fuels, but it's either that or our planet will turn into a giant desert.

I'm not trying to jump down your throat Kuroyume, I just thought I had to comment on the things in your post.


Actually, it was about 100 years ago - just before WWI.

Unfortunately, Bush is the executor of laws passed in Congress. Unless Congress has a 2/3rd or greater majority vote, his veto cannot be overriden. Although I don't credit the current Congress with much better progress than the previous one, it is assured that many measures are not getting past the President's desk either.

California has taken matters into its own hands and has instituted laws to reduce fossil fuel use, reduce carbon emissions, and implement alternative fuel regimes. Not perfect but doing better than our Federal government - what with all of the oil lobby and interests (GWBush is an 'oil man' and both he and his father have close ties to oil barons in Saudi Arabia).

Remember that our Federal government also put a prohibition on stem cell research - on 'ethical' (i.e.: christian moral) grounds. And don't forget Terry Shaivo. I don't trust this government to enact anything useful. I don't trust the corporations much more either. We need an alternative route to alternative fuels.


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...I'm pretty sure the Industrial revolution in the UK began in the 1800's. :wink:...that's when the use of things like coal boomed.....even though things like an increased use in factory machinery appeared as early as the late 1700's.

And it's good to hear that at least some states are taking matters into their own hands.


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Kuroyume wrote:
Sandwich wrote:
...You're right about England, but that was 200 years ago! .....and Bush might not believe in Global warming, but that doesn't mean that nobody else should.

...We might need to make space to grow bio-fuels, but it's either that or our planet will turn into a giant desert.

I'm not trying to jump down your throat Kuroyume, I just thought I had to comment on the things in your post.


Actually, it was about 100 years ago - just before WWI.

Unfortunately, Bush is the executor of laws passed in Congress. Unless Congress has a 2/3rd or greater majority vote, his veto cannot be overriden. Although I don't credit the current Congress with much better progress than the previous one, it is assured that many measures are not getting past the President's desk either.

California has taken matters into its own hands and has instituted laws to reduce fossil fuel use, reduce carbon emissions, and implement alternative fuel regimes. Not perfect but doing better than our Federal government - what with all of the oil lobby and interests (GWBush is an 'oil man' and both he and his father have close ties to oil barons in Saudi Arabia).

Remember that our Federal government also put a prohibition on stem cell research - on 'ethical' (i.e.: christian moral) grounds. And don't forget Terry Shaivo. I don't trust this government to enact anything useful. I don't trust the corporations much more either. We need an alternative route to alternative fuels.
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Ya but California has cause some
of these problem with gas. Now you have many other states doing some
of the things they do but there own way. there must be 20 differant kinds of gas being used ,so many states have there type of required additives
to cut down pollution . Half the year in Md we use oxaddized gas to cut
pollution and by the way about 10% less fuil milage so you dont pollute
as mush but you have to use more . Somthing wrong with thatt! It seems
to me if we would all just use to same gas that the epa recommends
would be better and cost less since you only refine the same way.


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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:02 pm
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Sandwich wrote:
...I'm pretty sure the Industrial revolution in the UK began in the 1800's. :wink:...that's when the use of things like coal boomed.....even though things like an increased use in factory machinery appeared as early as the late 1700's.

And it's good to hear that at least some states are taking matters into their own hands.


Of course, I was talking about the 'end' of the UK coal-based industrial revolution. But you are correct that it began some time in the late 1700's and progressed throughout the 1800's.

The one thing I forgot to mention with respect to supply/demand is that much of the strain is due to 'more mouths to feed'. Until recently, the US and Russia were the only real big consumers of petroleum. Now that China and India have included their massive populations into their drive to become modern nations, the same sized meal can't feed everyone. The US has to share - even if reluctantly.

Innovation is the key here - and the US is woefully behind in science. When you have scientists work being ignored, cretinists/IDers actually getting support to have this bunk taught as science, and the bottom line being that a science carreer is how much money you can make working for special interests and big corporations under NDAs and lack of scientific transparency, what do you expect...

We need incentives to scientists (and aspiring scientists) to prod the process - just like the X-Prize eventually led to a system capable of putting people into low-Earth ejection in a commercially viable way. We also need penalties to prod people, governments, and corporations to change their modus operandi.


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For all you big car lovers, check this out....lol..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIizRp9ck
...and it does that with only a 1.6 liter (98 cubic inches) engine!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjZtfgqC2w


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Man, prices suck. All my gig money goes to gas haha.


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For all you big car lovers, check this out....lol..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIizRp9ck
...and it does that with only a 1.6 liter (98 cubic inches) engine!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjZtfgqC2w
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Your not going to haul a couch or a tv home fromr the store with that.
Of course I could put that whole thing in the back of my truck and
do the samething and feel safe doing it. It comes down to what you use
your vehicle for.


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cvilleira wrote:
Sandwich wrote:
For all you big car lovers, check this out....lol..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIizRp9ck
...and it does that with only a 1.6 liter (98 cubic inches) engine!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjZtfgqC2w
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Your not going to haul a couch or a tv home fromr the store with that.
Of course I could put that whole thing in the back of my truck and
do the samething and feel safe doing it. It comes down to what you use
your vehicle for.


...Watch the second video in my post.


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Sandwich wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
Sandwich wrote:
For all you big car lovers, check this out....lol..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIizRp9ck
...and it does that with only a 1.6 liter (98 cubic inches) engine!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjZtfgqC2w
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Your not going to haul a couch or a tv home fromr the store with that.
Of course I could put that whole thing in the back of my truck and
do the samething and feel safe doing it. It comes down to what you use
your vehicle for.


...Watch the second video in my post.
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Thats comparing a SUV to it not a pickiup truck with 8 foot bed hummers have no room in
them. Been in the many times, real world would have to be against a full size pickup truck which you could put that whole little car in when it
fully loaded and add some more. And when you are done loading you could get on I95 and go 75 miles per hour with no problem.


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well I just moved out to Santa Maria, California and the gas just up the road from my house is $4.11.


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I just got back from Germany. It cost me 112Euro (@ US$165) to put 3/4 of a tank into a VW Jetta. I will not complain about 4.35 a gallon in Chicago anymore.


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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:13 am
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I just wish that I lived in the city again. When living in Center City (Philly), driving, what's driving? Almost every destination could be achieved on foot, on bike (even my classical guitar lessons - yes it was hillarious trying to carry a hard-shell case with one hand and ride with the other), bus, subway, or cab. I didn't even own a car anymore! You have to pay for parking, gas, sit in traffic - bah.

Now I have to drive 7 miles to get anything - including gas so that I can get home. :) It's alright for those living in suburbia or urbia to go on about 'use public transportation' and so on - try finding a bus 30 miles from Denver proper. You have to drive to get a bus or train. When towns are separated by 30, 60, 120 miles what do you do? Go back to horse and buggie?


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I wonder why they haven't stopped space travel yet. Also the same with racing. Like Nascar, Indy racing etc.

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Good point Hotrod.

'Ever think for a Nascar or NFL event, how many gallons of gas it takes to get all those people to the track or stadium?

Turds and lawnmower clippings and leaves are part of the answer. Mechanical digesters can yield methane and alcohol from absolute waste. And we already have plenty of turds and leaves and lawnmower clippings.


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Rockets don't use gasoline - they use solid/liquid/gaseous fuel based on different elements/compounds.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_fuel. Note here that 'gas' means gaseous not gasoline.

For petroleum, there are probably two big users: manufactoring (oil lubricant and petroleum-based products - plastics) and transport (cars, trucks, planes, etc.). Of the latter, I don't know which uses the most - air travel or road travel.[/url]


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