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Post subject: Rap.
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:48 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ae31yMfSc

I figured it was about time for a rap thread.

I'm pretty selective about rap. Just a couple artists I bump regularly.

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Post subject: Re: Rap.
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:34 pm
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Being that RAP is NOT Guitar-Friendly, there is NO use for it !! :roll:

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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:46 pm
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Some of it is ok I guess, the musical rap with actual music I mean.

I saw Kanye West on the SNL rerun tonight on NBC, he was just awful. I just don't get him at all. Guess I'm not cool anymore. I liked Queen Latifa. Kid Rock is ok and he tours with a KILLER band. Many of them though are just poets with a drum track. They should write it down and sell a book because it isn't music. Just my opinion and your mileage may vary.


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Post subject: Re: Rap.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:19 am
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brotherdave wrote:
Some of it is ok I guess, the musical rap with actual music I mean.

I saw Kanye West on the SNL rerun tonight on NBC, he was just awful. I just don't get him at all. Guess I'm not cool anymore. I liked Queen Latifa. Kid Rock is ok and he tours with a KILLER band. Many of them though are just poets with a drum track. They should write it down and sell a book because it isn't music. Just my opinion and your mileage may vary.


Hey BD,

You're absolutely, 1M% correct about it NOT being Music... !!

It's rythmic speaking w/ a background rythm track.

There is an actual definition of Music, check the Harvard Music School Dictionary of Music. RAP fails on every level !!

Sure, for Marketing Purposes (think SALES) they piggy-backed on Music, rather than try and introduce a new genre (which would likely have been a commercial failure).

I have no doubt it's a form of Artistic Expression, but Music... it ain't !!!!

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Post subject: Re: Rap.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:46 am
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If you think Rap isn't music you either know nothing about music or more likely know nothing about rap.

Guitars also have a long history in rap music and a lot of live shows, like the Jay Z and Kanye show I saw last year actually play out with a live band.

I'm happy to go further into it but unfortunately I've found trying to discuss this with people who just don't like the genre of music is an entirely pointless exercise.


Edit: Apologies also if I've come across a little brash here, it's just a genre I care quite strongly for and it can be frustrating how easily it gets written off by people, it's certainly nothing personal! :D


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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:21 am
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If you think Rap isn't music you either know nothing about music or more likely know nothing about rap.

Guitars also have a long history in rap music and a lot of live shows, like the Jay Z and Kanye show I saw last year actually play out with a live band.

I'm happy to go further into it but unfortunately I've found trying to discuss this with people who just don't like the genre of music is an entirely pointless exercise.


Edit: Apologies also if I've come across a little brash here, it's just a genre I care quite strongly for and it can be frustrating how easily it gets written off by people, it's certainly nothing personal! :D


I would concede to the latter, not the former !

I totally respect your opinion (and those legions who would likely back you up)... but it is an UNINFORMED opinion !

Likewise, I would respect your opinion to call a Cow a Horse... but that doesn't make it so.

Music is a very accepting form of expression.

Whether it be Swahili Drums, Korean Gayageum, Buddhist Tantric Chanting, or playing Spoons, all comply with the 'rules' of Music.

RAP, whether accompanied by music or not, simply does NOT comply. It's very name denotes Speaking rather than Singing !

If you Love it... GREAT ! More Power to you !

Just don't confuse it with Music... it's NOT !

If you choose not to discuss it further, it's more likely your opposition to accept reality than anyone's dislike of the artform.

BTW, I don't necessarily dislike it... What I don't like is it being mis-labled as Music and sucking resources and opportunities from True Musicians !

Poetry and Music have coexisted in harmony for millenia. I'm sure that RAP could do the same.

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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:41 am
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Post subject: Re: Rap.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:48 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:

I would concede to the latter, not the former !

I totally respect your opinion (and those legions who would likely back you up)... but it is an UNINFORMED opinion !

Likewise, I would respect your opinion to call a Cow a Horse... but that doesn't make it so.

Music is a very accepting form of expression.

Whether it be Swahili Drums, Korean Gayageum, Buddhist Tantric Chanting, or playing Spoons, all comply with the 'rules' of Music.

RAP, whether accompanied by music or not, simply does NOT comply. It's very name denotes Speaking rather than Singing !

If you Love it... GREAT ! More Power to you !

Just don't confuse it with Music... it's NOT !

If you choose not to discuss it further, it's more likely your opposition to accept reality than anyone's dislike of the artform.

BTW, I don't necessarily dislike it... What I don't like is it being mis-labled as Music and sucking resources and opportunities from True Musicians !

Poetry and Music have coexisted in harmony for millenia. I'm sure that RAP could do the same.

Cheers!



I think the dislike of further discussion isn't due to me not wanting to accept reality but from past experiences knowing that this is a subject that can be more divisive than politics and religion, and can be even harder than them to change opinion :lol:

I certainly think there is sometimes an issue on the semantics of the word and the differing definitions. I don't know what the Harvard definition is as I haven't been able to find it however I'm not sure you can just use one definition to prove a point, however respected it is. Certainly the Romans saw fit to even include poetry as a music form.

It's worth bearing in mind that whilst rap is a spoken word form it isn't quite that simple, they don't rap just in their normal voice and great attention is paid to the rhythm, and certainly the tone and sometimes pitch of their voice whilst doing so.

Even some early Blues used vocal styles closer to speaking than what most people would consider singing, but as a more respected genre people aren't so quick to dismiss that.

As for sucking resources away from talented musicians I'm not sure that's entirely fair, it's not their fault so much that rock and roll and blues music isn't a popular music form like it was decades ago, and actually plenty of talented musicians have embraced the newer genres of music and have really put their skills to use doing so.

I understand I'm not about to change your mind, or that of many people on here, and you won't change mind but there is no harm in us "rapping" :wink:

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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:53 am
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With Joe on this. To say that rap isn't music or is detracting from the lively hood of musicians is frankly silly. Vocal on the rhythm rather than the melody, that's the difference and that's about it.
Just like beebop.

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put a "c" in front and you may be a little closer :lol:

imho calling rap music is like calling cheerleading a sport :roll:

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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:16 am
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phreddybee wrote:
put a "c" in front and you may be a little closer :lol:

imho calling rap music is like calling cheerleading a sport :roll:

ok- fire away at me


Considering cheerleading is a sport and ticks every box for every definition of sport then that may not be the best analogy!


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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:45 am
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James, you know that I've responded on threads in the past about this subject and for the most part I've always reacted by saying that I don't like to be preached to, that I'm not interested in listening to some rapper's tall tales about negative tripe from their bs experience and bad choices that they continue to make into adulthood, which is probably 50% of the genre. I then feel like a hypocrite because some rap I listen to and have posted on the youtube thread. Think the Jimi Hendrix Experience "if 6 was 9" or the Funkedelic's "good thoughts bad thoughts" both music for sure and some of the newer artists like Kid Rock, Nelly, Outkast and many others that would take too long to list. Even Ice-T's Body Count band was rock/guitar oriented although again I disliked the negatory bs because I don't like preachers or their ilk no matter what they look like or how they dress or how good the backing tracks sound (usually other musicians great riffs sampled to sell rapper propaganda). A concerted effort by the mainstream music industry to dominate MTV and radio with the third rate rap artists brought the good stuff into the public domain thankfully for those artists in that genre but I can't forgive them for exposing good people to the other 50% of damagingly unnecessary knowledge no one wanted to hear or see for that matter. Useless baggage that came along with the good stuff. Someone here can say this more clearly or present the viewpoint in a better way, hopefully someone will and perhaps then I will understand the subject better. In the 50's and 60's they called themselves "beat poets", historically William Shakespeare probably the best of them is among their aspirations I'll guess. Now I've forgotten what I was going to write :oops:

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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:44 am
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Hmm ..someone should put those sonnets to music.
Anyhow, Rapping as a vocal technique has been around longer than the genre.


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Snowjoe wrote:

Even some early Blues used vocal styles closer to speaking than what most people would consider singing, but as a more respected genre people aren't so quick to dismiss that.


I don't like Rap, I love Blues. So, as much as I hate to admit it, I've felt for a long time that blues and rap have quite a bit in common. I'm not saying they sound alike, just that there's several common threads that run through them.

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