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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:55 pm
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BTW: 'Boiling Strings"=quirky handle for a power trio...
.....aka B.S. :!: :lol:

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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:02 pm
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lameandcliche wrote:
Ever tried the string cleaner? I have had one for a while, when I remember to use it I can tell a difference in how long strings will last. give it a try! http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StringCleanG/


I've got one these and it works great because it gets the strings on top, bottom and the sides.
And it's quick & easy to use.
I've considered getting one for each case.
But probably over time.

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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:06 pm
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zontar wrote:
lameandcliche wrote:
Ever tried the string cleaner? I have had one for a while, when I remember to use it I can tell a difference in how long strings will last. give it a try! http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StringCleanG/


I've got one these and it works great because it gets the strings on top, bottom and the sides.
And it's quick & easy to use.
I've considered getting one for each case.
But probably over time.

I gotta get me one of those


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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:40 pm
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Bro, I have the dirtiest guitar on the planet. I also sweat like a motherfucker. My strings don't go bad for 3 months.

What is your climate like, because I'm not sure how you can kill a pack of strings within one gig, that just seems like it would be physically impossible. (if that's a set, those average 30-45 min tops, at least where I'm from and the kinds of shows I go to)

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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:20 am
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I have to change my strings after every gig or about once every three days. I use d'addario 10-46 strings.


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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:35 am
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63supro wrote:
You can't temper steel with boiling water. You need much higher temperatures. It's all just BS.

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The diagram above shows the upper and lower critical temperatures (UCT/LCT) of typical carbon steels according to their carbon content. Somewhere between 0.75% and 0.85% carbon is where a given alloy of carbon steel will see the LCT and UCT meet. This is called eutectic steel. Theoretically the point is at 0.83% carbon but that can change slightly depending on other elements alloyed in the heat. A "heat" of steel is the word they use to define and trace the products (plate, pipe, ingot, etc.) that were made from a specific single batch of steel. This is where the term "heat number" comes from. You can see from the chart that the lower critical temperature is pretty much always above 700 C. Annealing, stress relieving, normalizing and the various kinds of temperature related hardening treatments all require bringing the steel up to at least the LCT. Tempering is the one heat treatment that may be performed below the LCT. The lowest temperature that I know of that can be used for tempering carbon steel is about 215C which is approximately 420F. Even at this temperature the tempering process would not have much affect on the steel. In order to affect a significant change in the properties of a steel you have to get the temperature high enough that you can alter the crystaline structure of the steel. That means getting to somewhere at least in reasonable proximity to the LCT. Typically you would never even attempt to do even the slightest tempering at a temp below 600F and almost always it would be higher than that depending on what goal you have in the tempering process.

Having started out years ago as a welder with a keen eye for the technical aspects of it and still being in the steel industry all these years later, metalurgy is a little bit of a pet hobby for me. I'm not an expert by any means but I can talk with the engineering and QC boys and surprise them with my knowledge.

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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:44 am
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My question is after you clip the excess off the strings. How do you get it back on the tuning keys?

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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:54 am
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Buxom wrote:
Bro, I have the dirtiest guitar on the planet. I also sweat like a...My strings don't go bad for 3 months.

What is your climate like, because I'm not sure how you can kill a pack of strings within one gig, that just seems like it would be physically impossible. (if that's a set, those average 30-45 min tops, at least where I'm from and the kinds of shows I go to)

It's not the amount of sweat, it's their body's pH (and other factors) that make strings crap out earlier for some people. I'm similarly blessed in that my strings don't wear out quickly, at least from my body chemistry...but I'm not personally a heavy sweater.

I never thought that climate could contribute to the problems he's dealing with, but his (more northern than me) locale might be a factor; I kinda doubt that, unless he's playing in an extremely acidic environment (like an old battery factory, lol).

Also, Kyle might be one of those folks who like the zing-y, jangly sound of new strings and the slightly less-jingly sound of broken-in strings doesn't appeal to him. (Maybe? I don't know)...

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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:14 am
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I feel like my strings settle after about 2 weeks of play, as in they darken in terms of sound. That might be what he means.

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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:19 am
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Could changing diet effect sweat ph level? Maybe there's something in his food.

I know changing diet can affect things like how greasy your hair gets and how you get acne. (I've cut both down significantly since cutting out processed foods and started drinking 6 bottles of water a day)

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Post subject: Re: boiling strings
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:45 am
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The reason string boiling (primarily a bassist thing) only works temporarily is that the water gets next to the core wire and remains trapped there which causes the core wire to rust. It takes only a few days for the strings to become deader than before boiling. It is impossible to get all the water out. Boiling improves sustain because it gets the accumulation of dead skin and dust out from between the top winding, but it ruins the string as once the core begins to rust it is pretty much done. Even stainless wrapped strings which won't rust on the outside will often have a steel core that will rust.

Guitar strings are cheap compared to bass strings, especially the Thomastik-Infeld bass sets some bassists love best. (Go price those before saying strings are cheap.) Guitarists don't understand why bassists look for ways to extend string life, but if they were buying bass strings every few weeks they'd get it in a hurry.

Washing hands before play and wiping strings after is best. Anything with water in it is not a good idea to use on strings. Denatured alcohol is best if you are going to put anything on them at all.


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