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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:29 pm
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Okay,...not quite sure where to begin,...but I was just reading reviews on the Blues Deluxe
Re-issue amp and I seen two EXTREMELY negative reviews from what appears to be either two different people or the same person using two different names "supposedly" reviewing this amp. One review titled "Epic Failure" by jadeblack777,and another review titled "Terrible" by woodstockstrat. I'm not here to start a ruckus,...but hey,...if you read what they say,...their wording is darn near identical between both reviews. They(jadeblack777 and woodstockstrat) literally talk trash about this amp,but you have others indicate in their reviews how happy they are with the amp. I have tried the amp myself and I don't think it sounds bad at all,...yeah,a little different than my HRD III due to the difference in the speakers used,...it does have a different tone,..warmer and bluesier would best describe it!
I had thought about going with a PJr for practicing,but I am changing my mind on that as I
like the sound of the BDRI with it's warmer tone than my HRD III,...and there will be situations where I may WANT that warmer tone of the BDRI. I know some here don't care for the Hot Rod series amps,and that's fine,...but myself,...I like them. To jadeblack777 and woodstockstrat I must say that you had to have bought the wrong amp and it wasn't what you thought it would be for your kind of music that you play,..I can't say for sure,...but that doesn't mean it's bad. But to trash the amp in your reviews when others are happy with theirs? Why? :shock: You know,...it's quite possible that tubes were damaged in shipping if there was a tube problem,..they are fragile...who knows? If that were the case,...you should have taken the amp back where you got it and had an amp tech check the tubes for damage and replace them. Luckily for me,I didn't have my HRD III shipped to my home by UPS or FedEx(who was in the news not long ago for mishandling deliveries),...the store I bought it from is no more than thirty miles away and I went to pick it up myself.

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Hi KC95YJ, out of idle curiosity, where were these reviews?

Not that it matters: there is absolutely nothing in the guitar world more subjective than tone, and absolutely no shortage of folks wanting to talk about it as if it's a scientifically measurable quantity. If you like an amp have the courage of your convictions and buy and play it. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, let alone a couple of anonymous reviewers on some website somewhere.

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Unfortunately, this discipline we all love tends to attract a segment of the population for whom a thorough reading of the classic text, The Elements of Style, would be in order. Unfortunately I doubt that they're at all function at the reading level required to comprehend it. Sampling what comes out of the mouths of the artists at contemporary musics awards presentations, who represent the current generation's musical tastes, will attest to the competency of their ability to act as role models. Is there hope? Well, if I have truly seen the future, it is not us.

In the matter of the BDRI, I've heard pretty much consistent what you have to say about it, Ceri. For me, weight is a consideration. I'm done with lugging heavy gear around, but if I were gigging a moderate sized room, I'd give it serious thought.

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Post subject: Re: A bit confused,...is this the same person doing the revi
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:33 am
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Ceri wrote:
Hi KC95YJ, out of idle curiosity, where were these reviews?

Not that it matters: there is absolutely nothing in the guitar world more subjective than tone, and absolutely no shortage of folks wanting to talk about it as if it's a scientifically measurable quantity. If you like an amp have the courage of your convictions and buy and play it. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, let alone a couple of anonymous reviewers on some website somewhere.

Cheers - C


If you want to,..go to the amp section of the website,....look up "Hot Rod" series,..look for the Blues Deluxe
Reissue amp,click on that and then and click on "reviews". Scroll down and you can't miss them. I have yet to buy the BDRI amp,and would like to. I tend to take extreme negative reviews with a grain of salt,and think that the person who wrote the review might be a heavy metal player and maybe,...JUST maybe,...expected the amp to perform like a big Marshall stack or something and that is NOT what the BDRI was actually designed or intended for,...and since the amp did not perform to that expectation of a big Marshall stack in terms of volume,...they harshly bash the poor thing. So you would have to look at the review with a bit of skepticism of the person(s) that wrote the review. At the same time I guess you could give them a SMALL benefit of the doubt and look at the possibility that they might have ended up with a lemon,...it can happen with anything,...but when two VERY negative reviews are worded darn near the same way,it leaves you wondering "Wait a minute,...is this the same guy(using two different usernames,possibly) writing these reviews or is it actually two different people?"

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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:42 am
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Attributing nothing to the complainant, and taking your observations into consideration, any player doing heavy metal would certainly be uninformed if selecting a tweed series amp for that genre. I'm guessing that the Mustang series was created with them in mind, but Fender is still out of that league. I'd stay with Marshall's and their proven track record. I have no doubt that we are going to get respondents campaigning for their favorites and with great interest I will await same. Always teaching each other something new around these parts.

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Okay,...not quite sure where to begin,...but I was just reading reviews on the Blues Deluxe
Re-issue amp and I seen two EXTREMELY negative reviews from what appears to be either two different people or the same person using two different names "supposedly" reviewing this amp. One review titled "Epic Failure" by jadeblack777,and another review titled "Terrible" by woodstockstrat. I'm not here to start a ruckus,...but hey,...if you read what they say,...their wording is darn near identical between both reviews. They(jadeblack777 and woodstockstrat) literally talk trash about this amp,but you have others indicate in their reviews how happy they are with the amp. I have tried the amp myself and I don't think it sounds bad at all,...yeah,a little different than my HRD III due to the difference in the speakers used,...it does have a different tone,..warmer and bluesier would best describe it!
I had thought about going with a PJr for practicing,but I am changing my mind on that as I
like the sound of the BDRI with it's warmer tone than my HRD III,...and there will be situations where I may WANT that warmer tone of the BDRI. I know some here don't care for the Hot Rod series amps,and that's fine,...but myself,...I like them. To jadeblack777 and woodstockstrat I must say that you had to have bought the wrong amp and it wasn't what you thought it would be for your kind of music that you play,..I can't say for sure,...but that doesn't mean it's bad. But to trash the amp in your reviews when others are happy with theirs? Why? :shock: You know,...it's quite possible that tubes were damaged in shipping if there was a tube problem,..they are fragile...who knows? If that were the case,...you should have taken the amp back where you got it and had an amp tech check the tubes for damage and replace them. Luckily for me,I didn't have my HRD III shipped to my home by UPS or FedEx(who was in the news not long ago for mishandling deliveries),...the store I bought it from is no more than thirty miles away and I went to pick it up myself.


This subject was discussed thoroughly in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=87940

You were a participant in that discussion.

woodstockstrat/jadeblack777 are the same person (his user name was woodstock777 in the thread) and not very clever. The guy is clearly a troll. Came here, puked all over the forum twice, then disappeared.

Why bring the subject up again?

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Post subject: Re: A bit confused,...is this the same person doing the revi
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:07 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
KC9SYJ wrote:
Okay,...not quite sure where to begin,...but I was just reading reviews on the Blues Deluxe
Re-issue amp and I seen two EXTREMELY negative reviews from what appears to be either two different people or the same person using two different names "supposedly" reviewing this amp. One review titled "Epic Failure" by jadeblack777,and another review titled "Terrible" by woodstockstrat. I'm not here to start a ruckus,...but hey,...if you read what they say,...their wording is darn near identical between both reviews. They(jadeblack777 and woodstockstrat) literally talk trash about this amp,but you have others indicate in their reviews how happy they are with the amp. I have tried the amp myself and I don't think it sounds bad at all,...yeah,a little different than my HRD III due to the difference in the speakers used,...it does have a different tone,..warmer and bluesier would best describe it!
I had thought about going with a PJr for practicing,but I am changing my mind on that as I
like the sound of the BDRI with it's warmer tone than my HRD III,...and there will be situations where I may WANT that warmer tone of the BDRI. I know some here don't care for the Hot Rod series amps,and that's fine,...but myself,...I like them. To jadeblack777 and woodstockstrat I must say that you had to have bought the wrong amp and it wasn't what you thought it would be for your kind of music that you play,..I can't say for sure,...but that doesn't mean it's bad. But to trash the amp in your reviews when others are happy with theirs? Why? :shock: You know,...it's quite possible that tubes were damaged in shipping if there was a tube problem,..they are fragile...who knows? If that were the case,...you should have taken the amp back where you got it and had an amp tech check the tubes for damage and replace them. Luckily for me,I didn't have my HRD III shipped to my home by UPS or FedEx(who was in the news not long ago for mishandling deliveries),...the store I bought it from is no more than thirty miles away and I went to pick it up myself.


This subject was discussed thoroughly in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=87940

You were a participant in that discussion.

woodstockstrat/jadeblack777 are the same person (his user name was woodstock777 in the thread) and not very clever. The guy is clearly a troll. Came here, puked all over the forum twice, then disappeared.

Why bring the subject up again?


Ooooops,...sorry,Bill,...I TOTALLY forgot all about that thread and then read my comments when I clicked on the link to it,...yep,I remember that one now. Didn't mean to do bring it up again,...was just curious if it was the same dude,and sure enough,..it is!
Well,...anyway,I might as well say again it while I am on here,...I am VERY much happy with my HRD III amp. No need for mods on this baby,...I like it just the way it is! The more I play it,the better I think the GT tubes and Celestion speaker are becoming after getting broke in! :) No longer see the need for a change in tube brand as previously thought about doing!

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Maalox or Pepto Bismol anyone. :?: Choose your relief. :?

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KC9SYJ wrote:
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...out of idle curiosity, where were these reviews?


...go to the amp section of the website,....look up "Hot Rod" series,..look for the Blues Deluxe Reissue amp,click on that and then and click on "reviews".

Ah, here on the Fender website, huh?

Clicketty-click-click...

OK, found them. So. Two negative reviews out of 14. Doesn't seem disastrous: people are allowed not to like a product, after all.

Both reviewers say they've been playing for 20 years and both use the word "junk" somewhere in their post. Aside from that they're not very similar - certainly not a cut-and-paste job. Neither reviewer appears to be a user of this Forum, so we can't go further in finding out about them and their backstory. But I doubt they're the same guy. Just two people who don't like the amp. Which is legal.

I wouldn't sweat it - any more than I'd pay much attention to the 12 positive reviews on that page. Our own ears must judge: nothing else matters.

KC9SYJ, do I rightly recall that you own and like the Blues Deluxe amp? If so, that's all that counts. Pretty much any amp you can think of has people who like and dislike it. If your own ears and hands are happy with what this one is doing for you then who cares what some anonymous reviewer, or other users of this Forum for that matter, think about it?

It's music, it's not an arm-wrestling contest. My advice: enjoy your amp.

Cheers - C

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I wouldn't sweat it - any more than I'd pay much attention to the 12 positive reviews on that page. Our own ears must judge: nothing else matters.


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Ceri wrote:
Both reviewers say they've been playing for 20 years and both use the word "junk" somewhere in their post. Aside from that they're not very similar - certainly not a cut-and-paste job. Neither reviewer appears to be a user of this Forum, so we can't go further in finding out about them and their backstory. But I doubt they're the same guy. Just two people who don't like the amp. Which is legal.


Ceri,

Read my post above and the link I referenced.

Not the same person?

woodstockstrat + jadeblack777 = woodstock777

Coincidence? I think not. Especially when you check the end date of the thread I posted and the date of the second "review".

This thread deserves to die.

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Ceri wrote:
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Ceri wrote:
...out of idle curiosity, where were these reviews?


...go to the amp section of the website,....look up "Hot Rod" series,..look for the Blues Deluxe Reissue amp,click on that and then and click on "reviews".

Ah, here on the Fender website, huh?

Clicketty-click-click...

OK, found them. So. Two negative reviews out of 14. Doesn't seem disastrous: people are allowed not to like a product, after all.

Both reviewers say they've been playing for 20 years and both use the word "junk" somewhere in their post. Aside from that they're not very similar - certainly not a cut-and-paste job. Neither reviewer appears to be a user of this Forum, so we can't go further in finding out about them and their backstory. But I doubt they're the same guy. Just two people who don't like the amp. Which is legal.

I wouldn't sweat it - any more than I'd pay much attention to the 12 positive reviews on that page. Our own ears must judge: nothing else matters.

KC9SYJ, do I rightly recall that you own and like the Blues Deluxe amp? If so, that's all that counts. Pretty much any amp you can think of has people who like and dislike it. If your own ears and hands are happy with what this one is doing for you then who cares what some anonymous reviewer, or other users of this Forum for that matter, think about it?

It's music, it's not an arm-wrestling contest. My advice: enjoy your amp.

Cheers - C


I don't own a Blues Deluxe RI amp,...but have tried one out in the store where I bought my HRD III amp and liked the sound of the BDRI amp. But there was something special about the HRD III amp that caught my eyes,...and ears. I had seen the previous HRD versions with the chrome control panel,but never played them,...unless you consider a Blues Jr. a Hot Rod series amp,...which it is,...and I had the older version years ago and liked it very much. I always thought it had great tone for my Tele I had at the time,...about 15 years ago until a butt hole teacher INSISTED I get rid of it and get an acoustic back in my hands. His attitude at the time turned me off to music and I took up fishing :lol: :lol: Wished I still had that Blues Jr. and black Tele! My only gripe with that amp was,of course,...the chrome control panel,...hard to read the markings in direct light. The series III amps are much better with the black control panel and white lettering. Now if Fender would put the Celestion speaker that is in the HRD III into the Blues Jr,...or a Jensen C12K,...that would be a GREAT improvement over the stock Eminence speaker. Overall,I'd be happy with ANY of the Hot Rod series amps!

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bluesky636 wrote:
Ceri,

Read my post above and the link I referenced.

Not the same person? ...

Hi Bill, you're right, I did miss that. So in that case it sounds like it probably is the same person after all.

But the point remains, user reviews are often only of subjective value at the best of times, and almost useless when we're talking about something as personal as guitar tone.

KC9SYJ has been around some slightly heated discussion of the pros and cons of certain amps on this Forum recently and is maybe a bit concerned about what others say about this or that box - that's how this thread feels, anyhow. I'd like to encourage him not to worry too much about it and feel more confident in his own taste.

Probably all of us love an amp that someone else hates. So long as our own ears and hands are happy nothing else matters much in this area.

I hope I'm managing to make that sound like a positive, friendly thing, cos that's the spirit I'm trying to convey. :)

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I hope I'm managing to make that sound like a positive, friendly thing, cos that's the spirit I'm trying to convey. :) Cheers - C

That's our style around here, isn't it. :wink:

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Ceri wrote:
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Ceri,

Read my post above and the link I referenced.

Not the same person? ...

Hi Bill, you're right, I did miss that. So in that case it sounds like it probably is the same person after all.

But the point remains, user reviews are often only of subjective value at the best of times, and almost useless when we're talking about something as personal as guitar tone.

KC9SYJ has been around some slightly heated discussion of the pros and cons of certain amps on this Forum recently and is maybe a bit concerned about what others say about this or that box - that's how this thread feels, anyhow. I'd like to encourage him not to worry too much about it and feel more confident in his own taste.

Probably all of us love an amp that someone else hates. So long as our own ears and hands are happy nothing else matters much in this area.

I hope I'm managing to make that sound like a positive, friendly thing, cos that's the spirit I'm trying to convey. :)

Cheers - C


Good points,Ceri! I'm not really all that worried about it at all,...and I take your comments as positive,and friendly. I just seen the reviews and who it was that wrote them,...and as I told Bill,I totally and completely forgot about that other thread,...and then it was pointed out to me that I was involved in that discussion. It was not my intent with this thread to open another can of worms on the subject. I'm not upset with anyone,okay,...so take a deep breath and sigh of relief that I bare no ill will towards anyone here,...and my sincere apologies to everyone who has responded! Peace guys!

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