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Post subject: Re: Capo
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:21 pm
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Those trigger capos work very well, Mike. I still have an elastic capo that, after about 50 years still works. It used some kind of heavy duty clear synthetic rubber and I had it for my 12 string. I wouldn’t have thought it would have lasted this long, although, I admit it had some years of not being used, but even so it was used a lot and hasn’t deteriorated.

One of the reasons I went with it in the beginning is another reason to have gone the G7 route. I like to throw them in my pocket when not being used. The trigger ones aren’t the best for that, the elastic pretty good but could poke a hole, and the G7 and similar work just fine.

Not much good if the capo doesn’t work well on the guitar though. Fortunately, aside from the minor fuss with the elastic, these ones all do. :wink:
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:54 pm
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Those trigger capos work very well, Mike. I still have an elastic capo that, after about 50 years still works. It used some kind of heavy duty clear synthetic rubber and I had it for my 12 string.
You too ehh? When I first started playing 12, I'd capo the 1st fret and tune down 1/2 step to relax the tension a bit.
20 years later I was putting 13's on my S500 trying to capture Stevie's tone.

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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:46 pm
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CB91710 wrote:
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Those trigger capos work very well, Mike. I still have an elastic capo that, after about 50 years still works. It used some kind of heavy duty clear synthetic rubber and I had it for my 12 string.
You too ehh? When I first started playing 12, I'd capo the 1st fret and tune down 1/2 step to relax the tension a bit.
20 years later I was putting 13's on my S500 trying to capture Stevie's tone.
Very cool, Rich. I sold my 12 string rather than repairing and replacing the tuners. It wasn’t an expensive 12 string. It was a Raven given to me by my wife long ago. I’ve seen some pretty dismal Ravens, but this 12 string was, for the price, a fair value and got a lot of use. But, in today’s economy it would probably be worth more today than then, and it played and sounded just fine. Not as good as many, but better than some. I never though of relaxing the tension with the capo. Smart idea!

Crazy how playing acoustics makes it appear easier to play those heavy strings on the electrics, huh? When I first played a Strat in ‘65, I was a little taken aback with the heavy gauge (12s if I recall). But, years later going from acoustic to stock electric 9s I felt as if the Strat had threads. I’ve yet to try 8s, but settled on 10s without changes. I like to play old and new Surf tunes when I want to chill because those were the first electric licks I learned as a teenager. I’ve never built fingers to tackle 13s but 12s would be okay.

As for that little elastic capo, I didn’t mind paying a little more for the one I now have, considering it will outlive me just like that little elastic one. :)
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Post subject: Re: Capo
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:31 pm
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My first acoustic was my sister's Silvertone... you could drive a truck under those strings.
Learning on that guitar did me no favors and I STILL play with a very heavy touch, which really slows me down.

My first 12st was a Goya that I got around '79 or so.
I'm honestly not sure what happened to it, somehow I ended up with a Sigma 12 by the mid 80s, still have it.
Around '98 or '99 I bought an Epi PR5-E, my first "real wooden" 6 string. Decent guitar, good volume for the condo.
A couple of years ago, I decided it was time to buy a Taylor, so I picked up a 214DLX. VERY nice... The brightness almost has a 12 string voicing to it, and it is as easy to play as some electrics I've owned.

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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:20 pm
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CB91710 wrote:
A couple of years ago, I decided it was time to buy a Taylor, so I picked up a 214DLX. VERY nice... The brightness almost has a 12 string voicing to it, and it is as easy to play as some electrics I've owned.
I know what you mean by that 12 string voicing, Rich. Taylor’s are an acquired taste. My wife wanted me to buy an acoustic for the patio and living room. I wasn’t thinking of one again, but a year later I can still look at my 2017 Taylor 114ce. I like it, but I’m not in love with it. The 214DLX is very nice and definitely better. It’s just that great acoustics are a fair chunk of change compared to past years. That’s means a lot in Canada and it’s a smaller market for used and new. Once in a while the one that speaks to you comes along and it might even be inexpensive. I went with the Taylor because of the build, and I wanted the narrow neck to simulate my Strat. I think that was a mistake for chording. On the Strat it’s chorded less and okay. I heard some other acoustics that I liked, but I got disappointed finding the quality was inconsistently terrible or more money was needed to equal the sound without much value added. If I was younger I’d jump up to a more expensive acoustic; but, that’s not going to happen. Meanwhile, this one will get used unless a deal and the right guitar comes along. Who knows? Taylor’s are different for sure and they sound more alike than different. The Strat’s a keeper! Maybe this Taylor will be once we bond. Maybe it needs a capo. :lol:
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Post subject: Re: Capo
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:39 pm
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I kinda look at it the other way with respect to my age.
I bought the Taylor a year or so after buying my last Epiphone and not being thrilled with it. Definitely not up to snuff with the Sheraton and LP that I bought in the 90s.
So after that, I decided, I'm getting older, I'm going to want something nice for when I retire, and I'm done with cheap guitars.
The 214 was a compromise... it is the highest level Taylor that is MIM, so I guess you could say that it's like an MIM Strat. The 100 series was right out because it was their bottom end. I briefly considered the 300 series, but wasn't ready to drop the extra bucks into it.... and I added a $300 Tronical tuner system to the 214, so I have gold hardware anyways :D Plus I wasn't fully convinced that the bottom-of-the-line MIA was better than the top-of-the-line MIM.
Likewise on the Strat, I spent $1k on the AmSpec, but of course, it didn't come with a case or candy... the total cost comes out not much less than the AmPro at ~$1400, but I fondly remember and love the big headstock on my '78.

Eventually, I'll probably drop the coin on a Taylor 12 string. I play one almost every time I stop by Sam Ash.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:23 am
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I’ll spend more on another electric since the acoustic is no longer a priority for me. My folk days are retired and my ballads are few since I don’t do cover songs much. If I hear a gem - that might trigger me to open the wallet, but I’m not hungry enough to go hunting. My first guitar used nylon strings. Who knows? Maybe, the next acoustic will.

You’re right about the 100 series, Rich. But, the quality is better than some I’ve seen, and I’ve tried many. Mine is the walnut version. At least they have the same electronics as the 900s, and now there’s new V bracing on many new Taylor’s. The bracing is supposed to be innovative with new tone. My bet is that their electronics are in for a change. If they are, I hope they change the way the strap fits on the butt of the guitar. A rep told me they are aware of the complaints. I agree that your 214 was a good choice. Their 12 is sweet, and it has a great reputation. Get them to throw in a capo. :D
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I think Fender has improved their acoustics, but I don’t think they’re at the Guild or Tak’ lost relatives level yet. Others may disagree, and that’s why the market has many alternatives available. I’ll be the first to say I don’t know what I want in acoustic yet. I haven’t found it. :wink: YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Capo
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:12 am
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I’m not sure exactly why but I do not believe I have ever placed a capo on an electric guitar even though I have a capo in each of my acoustic guitar cases and do occasionally put them on.

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Post subject: Re: Capo
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:26 am
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Yea, I use a Shubb on acoustics but needed something for quick changes for
a project I'm playing with. Just a few seconds between songs.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:52 am
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If you are looking for a well made capo, that wont entirely screw with your tuning, it sounds like a Thalia Capo would be the kind of thing you're looking for.

https://www.thaliacapos.com/


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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:39 am
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KidBlast wrote:
If you are looking for a well made capo, that wont entirely screw with your tuning, it sounds like a Thalia Capo would be the kind of thing you're looking for.

https://www.thaliacapos.com/
I saw these after buying my G7. They look slick and seem to be a great option. I’m kind of divided on whether the interchangeable fret pads are a good or bad thing. Good if you stick to one guitar, perhaps, questionable if you do not. I don’t know. But, they look cool and maybe the fret pads are okay?

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:58 am
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I have two Thalia's. I picked up the second one from a "B" Stock sale where they are a bit easier on the wallet.

Two sets of fret pads come with each capo.

One is a soft material similar to what other capos use, the other is Teflon. I've never tried the Teflon one, but this is the one to use if you fancy changing your capo'd fret on the fly. (Why would we do that??? Really not sure but this is in one of their promo vids...) Anyway, I have heard the Teflon pads offer a slightly different sound.

Tuning pads are pretty easy to swap out. I am using these on a Taylor Steel string, and a Taylor Nylon as well as a Gibson SJ200. (Only use capos w/Acoustic)

Changing the pads for what the capo will be used on isn't really a hassle. They do seem to help with the intonation, but I do think it's not PERFECT.. I don't think any capo is.

The closer your guitar is tuned properly, the less you will notice a variance in tuning when you use it. If your guitar is tuned DEAD ON, and your nut is slotted right, the Thalia's do about as good a job as I've ever experienced.

Know that they are NOT cheap however... But I think worth it in regard to a "high end" (if there can be such a thing) capo. They are well built and quite solid feeling.

Ordering from Thalia is fast, in both orders, I had the capo in 2 days, and a follow up from the company asking if all was well. (Seemed to not be a robotic message, cuz I responded both times, and got replies the same day)

I've been happy with them, they are better than the Kysers which you see just about everyone using these days. I still have a pouch full of kyser, I like playing around with partial capos, (Drop D, Double Drop D, Short Cut) Thalia doesn't have a lot of options for that yet, only a Short Cut set of pads for their partials.


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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:34 am
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Thanks, for the follow up, Ray. Pretty interesting stuff. Looks good. It’s obvious they took some time in the R&D and that always comes at a cost. :D
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:59 am
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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
I think Fender has improved their acoustics, but I don’t think they’re at the Guild or Tak’ lost relatives level yet. Others may disagree, and that’s why the market has many alternatives available. I’ll be the first to say I don’t know what I want in acoustic yet. I haven’t found it. :wink: YMMV.
Ya, I'm a firm believer in "You get what you pay for", and I was surprised at what I saw when I looked into Fender's acoustic options.
But acoustics have never been Fender's bread and butter, where Gibson and some of the other makers were (or remained) primarily acoustic/archtop before they started installing pickups.
I'm sure the PM1 and PM2 are very nice guitars, but something bugs me about $500 for the only 12 string in the line.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:54 am
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CB91710 wrote:
. . . something bugs me about $500 for the only 12 string in the line.
Well, this may be a quality alternative for well under $500. (is that a capo on his finger?).:lol:

For a little more chump change you get electrics:


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