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Post subject: Re: who can afford concerts anymore??????
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:14 am
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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
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Ehh, if you're talking 'sport stadium shows' with crowds of over 50,000 listening to a classic band that's been playing since the stone age, then of course it's gonna be #$@*&!% expensive. You're 60, so you would have been young when the big bands that are still around from the 60's and 70's started.
You're comparing the prices of when they were fresh, had relativeley little history and reputation compared to what they do now, decades after they've been playing and developing their fanbase even more, hence booking out big stadiums rather than actual music venues :roll:
Bands that are starting now, are cheap as $@!& to see, just like bands that started back in the 70's or whatever.
Yes, believe it or not, not every band started back in your day.

Total BS. I saw the Rolling Stones in 1972 for less than 10 bucks. I'm pretty sure they were well known by then. Not to mention Led Zepplin, CSN&Y and The Band.

They didn't have 50+ years behind them (most of which is just cheap cash grabs, mind you) behind them in 1972. They were big, they weren't "legendary" (read: highly regarded by bought-out music critics and old men who love nostalgia + their brainwashed kin).

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Post subject: Re: who can afford concerts anymore??????
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:40 am
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The answers is...all the music business insiders who get first dibs at the tickets and write off the cost as a business deduction...not to mention the rest of the concert goers who obviously feel the juice is worth the squeeze. Tuesday night I'm going to my local cinema for 2.5 hours of the recent Clapton Crossroads via live-tape, on a big screen, in the cool comfort of the evening, watching the acts which Clapton and company felt worthy of preserving for posterity. None of the familiar, pain in the $@!, hustle and bustle of NY's Penn Station, MSG, and the rest. The valet gets my car, I've already got my $16 ticket and, if I like it enough, I may purchase the DVD. Beyond that, my last experience with Clapton live, at MSG, was the 'From The Cradle Tour', at which I had great floor seats, and was obliged to stand with the rest of the planet, not to mention the 6 ft. 7 'basketball player' whe was standing two rows in front of me. Uffff!!!

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:00 am
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Floyd, I agree that what is going on today is a money grab, but I disagree that they were not legendary back in the 70's. How would you guys know, you were not even a dribble on your daddy's leg. Further more, none of the bands you list as some of your faves will even be remembered in fifty years. Not so of the Beatles, Stones, Zepplin, ect. Besides being unoriginal they are far less talented. Clapton was ledgendary in his teens. Duane Allman people traveled hundreds of miles to see. Now that is ledgendary. :wink:


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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:12 am
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Ticketmaster has a lot to do with this, at least in the US. They practically have a monopoly on ticket sales, and add their own exorbitant fees to ticket prices. Also, the crazy, over the top productions that a lot of bands are using on tour are extremely expensive, and of course that gets passed on to the ticket buyer.

When I was in high school tickets cost $7.50 for arena concerts, regardless of who was on the bill. Stadium concerts were $12.50 to see 4 or more bands. Except for books, I can't think of anything else that has inflated by a factor of 10. Going to concerts just isn't worth it any more.

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:37 am
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:40 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
The answers is...all the music business insiders who get first dibs at the tickets and write off the cost as a business deduction...not to mention the rest of the concert goers who obviously feel the juice is worth the squeeze. Tuesday night I'm going to my local cinema for 2.5 hours of the recent Clapton Crossroads via live-tape, on a big screen, in the cool comfort of the evening, watching the acts which Clapton and company felt worthy of preserving for posterity. None of the familiar, pain in the $@!, hustle and bustle of NY's Penn Station, MSG, and the rest. The valet gets my car, I've already got my $16 ticket and, if I like it enough, I may purchase the DVD. Beyond that, my last experience with Clapton live, at MSG, was the 'From The Cradle Tour', at which I had great floor seats, and was obliged to stand with the rest of the planet, not to mention the 6 ft. 7 'basketball player' whe was standing two rows in front of me. Uffff!!!


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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:11 am
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
Floyd, I agree that what is going on today is a money grab, but I disagree that they were not legendary back in the 70's. How would you guys know, you were not even a dribble on your daddy's leg. Further more, none of the bands you list as some of your faves will even be remembered in fifty years. Not so of the Beatles, Stones, Zepplin, ect. Besides being unoriginal they are far less talented. Clapton was ledgendary in his teens. Duane Allman people traveled hundreds of miles to see. Now that is ledgendary. :wink:

What an idiotic, deluded, and out of touch post.

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:45 am
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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
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Floyd, I agree that what is going on today is a money grab, but I disagree that they were not legendary back in the 70's. How would you guys know, you were not even a dribble on your daddy's leg. Further more, none of the bands you list as some of your faves will even be remembered in fifty years. Not so of the Beatles, Stones, Zepplin, ect. Besides being unoriginal they are far less talented. Clapton was ledgendary in his teens. Duane Allman people traveled hundreds of miles to see. Now that is ledgendary. :wink:

What an idiotic, deluded, and out of touch post.

What ever you say, dude. :roll:


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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:53 am
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
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Floyd, I agree that what is going on today is a money grab, but I disagree that they were not legendary back in the 70's. How would you guys know, you were not even a dribble on your daddy's leg. Further more, none of the bands you list as some of your faves will even be remembered in fifty years. Not so of the Beatles, Stones, Zepplin, ect. Besides being unoriginal they are far less talented. Clapton was ledgendary in his teens. Duane Allman people traveled hundreds of miles to see. Now that is ledgendary. :wink:

What an idiotic, deluded, and out of touch post.

What ever you say, dude. :roll:


Yea, to say that none of them will be remembered or become legendary is idiotic of you. Will you even be alive in 30-40 years to see that? Probably not. He may have not been a "dribble on his daddy's leg", but anyone can look up history.

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:42 pm
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My daughter paid over $100 last week to see Kiss and her seats were not anywhere close to the stage,to make matters worse she wasn't very impressed with the concert anyway. Even though she's not a huge Kiss fan she hoped to see some movement on the stage and some decent pyrotechnics.She said they always appeared just to be going through the motions and when they did the 2 guitarists and bass player standing together and moving in time with each other that they always did at concerts from day one,it lacked any energy and they weren't even coordinated and had poor timing. She said that all Gene Simmonds did was to stick out his reptilian tongue at every chance he got and when he did the old mouthful of fake blood thing,it looked so ridiculous that she burst out laughing at him.She found it kind of sad to see a group of men well beyond their prime trying to put off the same moves and concert that they did 30 or 40 years ago. Since we don't have any venues in the province that can hold over 6,000 people we rarely get any big name acts to come here and when they do the ticket costs are astronomical.There are talks ongoing now with hopes of creating a permanent outdoor venue that could hold at least 25,000 people so we can at least attract big name acts for a fair price in the summer.

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:59 pm
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Don't forget there's inflation, too. $3.00 in 1965 would be the equivalent to around $22.19 today. http://www.halfhill.com/inflation.html

Another thing, the band itself isn't getting all the money that comes in. There are many other expenses and people to pay off, and of course Ticket Master has their "fees." I don't think you can necessarily call the band greedy, considering it's just about the only way to make money these day in music is to play live. People don't want to buy albums anymore when they can download them for "free."

Yeah, the price of everything has gone up, though. Look at the prices when you go into a grocery store, at least if you live in the northeast of the US.

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:42 pm
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I agree with everyone about the ridiculous prices of concerts.

My most expensive concert to date: Rolling Stones @ UVA Stadium, Charlottesville, VA back in 2005. $100 bucks a ticket!!! My wife, myself, my sister & brother-in-law... All 4 of us were way, waaaaay, up in the upper section of the stadium - even at $100 bucks each! Never again...

Locally here in Richmond, VA they have a small outdoor pavilion that holds maybe 5000 people (6000 max - extending out into the far back lawn and edge of the parking lots). It's not bad and only costs $25 bucks a ticket. "Innsbrook Afterhours" is the name of the outdoor summer concerts.

Some examples
Doobie Brothers
Boston
Styx
Marshall Tucker Band
The Beach Boys
Foreigner
Pat Benatar
etc...etc...etc...

I mean, it's cool... As you see, it's mostly just 70's nostalgia acts and maybe a few minor country acts from time to time. But for $25 bucks, it's not a bad deal.

What was hilarious a few years ago, was when Willie Nelson's tour bus stopped by from traveling on the road. Willie asked his tour manager about it and they checked with the managers/owners of "Innsbrook Afterhours" and nobody was using the pavilion that night, so word has it that Willie said, "What the hell... let's stop for the evening, pull out the gear, and put on a show!" Seriously... Totally unannounced... I've never seen Richmond concert organizers freak out so fast, country radio stations buzzing, etc... Leave it to Willie! LOL... :lol:


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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:49 pm
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She's cracked!! I was at the same show and they rocked the place. The band was tight, vocals were great(drummer did a fantastic job on Black Diamond), lots of explosions and they were second to none with audience interaction. Stage setup was also great, loved that spider.

It's not every day that you get to see a band like Kiss in a 6000 seat venue where there is really no such thing as a bad seat unless you're on the floor.

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My daughter paid over $100 last week to see Kiss and her seats were not anywhere close to the stage,to make matters worse she wasn't very impressed with the concert anyway. Even though she's not a huge Kiss fan she hoped to see some movement on the stage and some decent pyrotechnics.She said they always appeared just to be going through the motions and when they did the 2 guitarists and bass player standing together and moving in time with each other that they always did at concerts from day one,it lacked any energy and they weren't even coordinated and had poor timing. She said that all Gene Simmonds did was to stick out his reptilian tongue at every chance he got and when he did the old mouthful of fake blood thing,it looked so ridiculous that she burst out laughing at him.She found it kind of sad to see a group of men well beyond their prime trying to put off the same moves and concert that they did 30 or 40 years ago. Since we don't have any venues in the province that can hold over 6,000 people we rarely get any big name acts to come here and when they do the ticket costs are astronomical.There are talks ongoing now with hopes of creating a permanent outdoor venue that could hold at least 25,000 people so we can at least attract big name acts for a fair price in the summer.


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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:02 pm
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Well 10 dollars in the 60s is like 100 today so things are different. Last week in pgh Black Crows and Derick Trucks played and it was only 25 bucks for cheap seats and 40 for the better ones. So that's not bad and there's a lot of shows in that range. Some shows are a lot more but those are the exceptions. There's a lot of good music for reasonable prices.


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Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:48 am
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If it has any options other than GA, it probably isn't worth seeing. YEAH WOOHOO I LOVE STANDING IN ONE SPOT ALL WHILE OTHER DRUNK PEOPLE ALSO STAND IN ONE SPOT ALL NIGHT

The other night, I ended up on stage. I almost caught a drum stick to the face. We crowd surfed a fold-out table. The band was tighter than any act I've ever seen. It was $7.


You guys just need to branch out beyond the same 10-20 dinosaurs.

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