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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:25 pm
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it blows my mind how much old guitars are worth. my guitar teacher who primarily plays gibson saw me and my dad looking at guitars. we started talking and he said he just put on ebay a 1969 fender strat and he already got $14000 offers for a 40 year old fender.

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I don't understand why people would want vintige guitars when the new ones are obvisously so much better

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I don't understand why people would want vintige guitars when the new ones are obvisously so much better


I have to disagree with you on that one. I have played some Old Fenders that cannot be touched by any of the new ones. The Necks and Tone from the 50s and 60s are untouchable


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I have to disagree with you on that one. I have played some Old Fenders that cannot be touched by any of the new ones. The Necks and Tone from the 50s and 60s are untouchable


I agree with you on that one because i've played a few vintage Fenders, and they are truly amazing. But would anyone honestly pay for a vintage guitar that is $14000?


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I have to disagree with you on that one. I have played some Old Fenders that cannot be touched by any of the new ones. The Necks and Tone from the 50s and 60s are untouchable


I agree with you on that one because i've played a few vintage Fenders, and they are truly amazing. But would anyone honestly pay for a vintage guitar that is $14000?
I wouldn't :roll:

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I feel like posting another picture of a '63 Corvette fender, but I'm holding myself back.


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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:20 pm
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What I think is crazy is that the only really "vintage" Fenders that were highly sought were pre-CBS guitars. Now, just about anything that is more than 20 years old is fetching high dollars. If I remember correctly, there were some 1970's models that were considered lesser quaility, but now are"highly prized vintage guitars". When did this shift occur?? Why are 1969 post-CBS Strats so expensive. Did the guitars magically improve while sitting in the case??


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What I think is crazy is that the only really "vintage" Fenders that were highly sought were pre-CBS guitars. Now, just about anything that is more than 20 years old is fetching high dollars. If I remember correctly, there were some 1970's models that were considered lesser quaility, but now are"highly prized vintage guitars". When did this shift occur?? Why are 1969 post-CBS Strats so expensive. Did the guitars magically improve while sitting in the case??


I've wondered that myself. CBS quality control in the 70's and early 80's was awful. Sure, there were some nice guitars but for the most part they were considered poorly made. Now all of a sudden they're all vintage beauties and worth thousands. The prices are emotional and not based on actual quality. Now everyone who owns a 70's or 80's strat is going to say "mine is amazing" "you don't know what you're talking about". Every got a good one it seems.

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I love vintage strats.

I wouldn't pay $14k or $25K or ... for a vintage guitar, however.

When a late '50's strat is going for $70K, $3K or $4K for a nice '70s CBS strat is NOT outrageous. $3K or $4K is about what some Custom Shop guitars go for.

Think about it: guys would have gotten rid of any crummy 70's strats and only kept the good ones. Wouldn't you? I know that I did. If the quality was truely as bad as the internet gurus say, Fender would have gone out of business by 1976.

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orvilleowner wrote:
I love vintage strats.

I wouldn't pay $14k or $25K or ... for a vintage guitar, however.

When a late '50's strat is going for $70K, $3K or $4K for a nice '70s CBS strat is NOT outrageous. $3K or $4K is about what some Custom Shop guitars go for.

Think about it: guys would have gotten rid of any crummy 70's strats and only kept the good ones. Wouldn't you? I know that I did. If the quality was truely as bad as the internet gurus say, Fender would have gone out of business by 1976.


No, I don't think a couple of thousand is bad for a decent 70's strat. But that $14K is just ridiculous. They just aren't worth that kinda money.

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What I think is crazy is that the only really "vintage" Fenders that were highly sought were pre-CBS guitars. Now, just about anything that is more than 20 years old is fetching high dollars. If I remember correctly, there were some 1970's models that were considered lesser quaility, but now are"highly prized vintage guitars". When did this shift occur?? Why are 1969 post-CBS Strats so expensive. Did the guitars magically improve while sitting in the case??


I've wondered that myself. CBS quality control in the 70's and early 80's was awful. Sure, there were some nice guitars but for the most part they were considered poorly made. Now all of a sudden they're all vintage beauties and worth thousands. The prices are emotional and not based on actual quality. Now everyone who owns a 70's or 80's strat is going to say "mine is amazing" "you don't know what you're talking about". Every got a good one it seems.


People are paying for nostalgia with those post CBS Fenders from the 70's-early 80's. I think the current vintage reissues are really nice instruments that won't cost you an arm and leg.


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paisley strat wrote:
What I think is crazy is that the only really "vintage" Fenders that were highly sought were pre-CBS guitars. Now, just about anything that is more than 20 years old is fetching high dollars. If I remember correctly, there were some 1970's models that were considered lesser quaility, but now are"highly prized vintage guitars". When did this shift occur?? Why are 1969 post-CBS Strats so expensive. Did the guitars magically improve while sitting in the case??


I've wondered that myself. CBS quality control in the 70's and early 80's was awful. Sure, there were some nice guitars but for the most part they were considered poorly made. Now all of a sudden they're all vintage beauties and worth thousands. The prices are emotional and not based on actual quality. Now everyone who owns a 70's or 80's strat is going to say "mine is amazing" "you don't know what you're talking about". Every got a good one it seems.


People are paying for nostalgia with those post CBS Fenders from the 70's-early 80's. I think the current vintage reissues are really nice instruments that won't cost you an arm and leg.


Frankly I'd rather have a new strat anyday. If the goal is a great playing/sounding guitar, then Fender is at the top of it's game now. If you're looking for vintage vibe and are willing to pay for it, that's cool too. I gotta tell ya though. I've played a lot of vintage strats, back when they weren't even vintage, and aside from vibe...they aren't better then todays.

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What I think is crazy is that the only really "vintage" Fenders that were highly sought were pre-CBS guitars. Now, just about anything that is more than 20 years old is fetching high dollars. If I remember correctly, there were some 1970's models that were considered lesser quaility, but now are"highly prized vintage guitars". When did this shift occur?? Why are 1969 post-CBS Strats so expensive. Did the guitars magically improve while sitting in the case??


I've wondered that myself. CBS quality control in the 70's and early 80's was awful. Sure, there were some nice guitars but for the most part they were considered poorly made. Now all of a sudden they're all vintage beauties and worth thousands. The prices are emotional and not based on actual quality. Now everyone who owns a 70's or 80's strat is going to say "mine is amazing" "you don't know what you're talking about". Every got a good one it seems.


People are paying for nostalgia with those post CBS Fenders from the 70's-early 80's. I think the current vintage reissues are really nice instruments that won't cost you an arm and leg.


Frankly I'd rather have a new strat anyday. If the goal is a great playing/sounding guitar, then Fender is at the top of it's game now. If you're looking for vintage vibe and are willing to pay for it, that's cool too. I gotta tell ya though. I've played a lot of vintage strats, back when they weren't even vintage, and aside from vibe...they aren't better then todays.


I agree. Fender is currently making some of the best guitars they've ever made. I'd also take a current one anyday over a vintage model. I'd be to afraid to gig a $10,000 guitar. I'd put my '62 Vintage Hot Rod Strat up against any vintage one.
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No, I don't think a couple of thousand is bad for a decent 70's strat. But that $14K is just ridiculous. They just aren't worth that kinda money.


While it does seem a little high, the $14K figure was for a 1969 Strat, a year that's not tarred with the "crummy seventies" mess. The price curve for '60s strats is about $30K for a 1960, down to $10K for a 1970. That's a factor of 3 over a decade. Over the '70s decade, the factor seems to be about 5.

And the thing is, with the available supply, there seem to be enough guys who will pay that kind of money for them. The "they" probably aren't concerned about you or me thinking that they aren't worth that kind of dough.

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Fender is currently making some of the best guitars they've ever made. I'd also take a current one anyday over a vintage model. I'd be to afraid to gig a $10,000 guitar. I'd put my '62 Vintage Hot Rod Strat up against any vintage one.


Most don't acknowledge the quality issues that plagued all "vintage" strats from 1954 to 1984. The quality is much improved these days.

I stopped taking valuable guitars and amps to gigs years ago.

And a Squier can do what any other strat can do ... so that whole vintage market is NOT about playability or the holy grail of tone. Though a guy who just paid $30K for a real 1962 strat will swear it is the holy grail of tone.

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paisley strat wrote:
What I think is crazy is that the only really "vintage" Fenders that were highly sought were pre-CBS guitars. Now, just about anything that is more than 20 years old is fetching high dollars. If I remember correctly, there were some 1970's models that were considered lesser quaility, but now are"highly prized vintage guitars". When did this shift occur?? Why are 1969 post-CBS Strats so expensive. Did the guitars magically improve while sitting in the case??

I have a 1979 Fender Stratocaster that I just love... When I bought it in 1995, I paid $500 for it and in the mid 90's people told me that I was crazy- that the 3 bolt on 70's strats were horrible, etc. etc. But, I swear this is a great guitar!
But, all that being said, even "I" think that My exact guitar selling on ebay consistantly for over $2k now is INSANE! I have played a lot of the Strats from the 70's when I went to music stores IN the 70's and most of them from what I can recall in my smoke filled memory were junk.

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