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Post subject: Re: Rage. Against. The. Machine.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:56 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
I like a few songs overall...however...

Not to get political, but if Morello is such an avowed anarchist/communist, why does he regularly play instruments that are produced by corporations?

--Gibson is a multinational corporation run by a social conservative...and he regularly plays a semi-hollow Gibson 335(?)...

--He also regularly plays a Telecaster ("Arm The Homeless"? Yeah, Tom, let's give all the homeless guns, drop you off on skid row and see how it works out for you...), made by Fender, also a multinational corporation...

...and I don't know if they are fabulously wealthy, but I bet they are better off than 90% of us; so why haven't they given large amounts of their money to the poor, the homeless and other communistic/anarchistic groups?

I feel they are posturing poseurs, because they don't "live" the political standard they espouse.


If you are actually interested there are a few related quotes from the band here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Against_the_Machine

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Post subject: Re: Rage. Against. The. Machine.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:02 pm
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I saw them (without Zack) at Lollapalooza 2003 with Chris Cornell, Audioslave. They gave Janes Addiction a run for their money, lol.

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Post subject: Re: Rage. Against. The. Machine.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:58 pm
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Her Wanna, you clearly have the same taste in music as me, I love RATM, but even better, my wife would S**K MY D**K all day long just to see them too.


then you have an awesome wife. congrats bro


I love the way someone didn't like my sensored "PHRASE" to explain how my wife enjoys RATM, because it was clearly tagged and removed. Funny how this is a RAGE thread and they are all about Explicit Freedom. So who is reading a RATM thread and does not approve of the language? Have you seen the titles of their songs?

And to top it off, the latest hits on the radios are no longer sensored and their foul language gets heard by many young impressionable kids.

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Post subject: Re: Rage. Against. The. Machine.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:05 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
I like a few songs overall...however...

Not to get political, but if Morello is such an avowed anarchist/communist, why does he regularly play instruments that are produced by corporations?

--Gibson is a multinational corporation run by a social conservative...and he regularly plays a semi-hollow Gibson 335(?)...

--He also regularly plays a Telecaster ("Arm The Homeless"? Yeah, Tom, let's give all the homeless guns, drop you off on skid row and see how it works out for you...), made by Fender, also a multinational corporation...

...and I don't know if they are fabulously wealthy, but I bet they are better off than 90% of us; so why haven't they given large amounts of their money to the poor, the homeless and other communistic/anarchistic groups?

I feel they are posturing poseurs, because they don't "live" the political standard they espouse.


So which activist artist does not play a corporation instrument, I see it as shooting them down with their own creation. ("them" being the corporations)

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Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:50 pm
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RATM is bad



It's basically "baby's first rebellious music". It's hamfisted "rebellion" politics for 13 years olds, delivered to your ear-steps via corny, amateurish rapping and generic, same-y riffs. Going by their music, they seems to have a similar grasp on politics as I did when I was in 6th grade.


Plus, the music is just bad. The riffs all sound the same, Zach can't rap for sh*t, and rapping over RAWKAN MUZIK is just a bad idea in general. It's corny and stupid.


Oh, and it aggravates the hell out of me when stupid goons call them metal. That sh*t ain't okay.

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Post subject: Re: Rage. Against. The. Machine.
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:29 am
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
I like a few songs overall...however...

Not to get political, but if Morello is such an avowed anarchist/communist, why does he regularly play instruments that are produced by corporations?

--Gibson is a multinational corporation run by a social conservative...and he regularly plays a semi-hollow Gibson 335(?)...

--He also regularly plays a Telecaster ("Arm The Homeless"? Yeah, Tom, let's give all the homeless guns, drop you off on skid row and see how it works out for you...), made by Fender, also a multinational corporation...

...and I don't know if they are fabulously wealthy, but I bet they are better off than 90% of us; so why haven't they given large amounts of their money to the poor, the homeless and other communistic/anarchistic groups?

I feel they are posturing poseurs, because they don't "live" the political standard they espouse.



I agree 100% with everything you've written and I have that exact same thought every time I see them. I just like the sounds they make.

Just as with Kurt... or Jimi, who killed himself with drugs...I don't idolize any of these musicians as people. I simply decide if I like the music or not.

Kurt got himself addicted to heroin and then killed himself at 27 when he had a 3-year-old daughter who needed him. He was therefore a loser to the extreme. Just an example...he's not my hero. I'm a dad and I fight every day for my kids. I just think Kurt and ROTM made some good riffs.


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Post subject: Re: Rage. Against. The. Machine.
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:33 am
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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
RATM is bad



It's basically "baby's first rebellious music". It's hamfisted "rebellion" politics for 13 years olds, delivered to your ear-steps via corny, amateurish rapping and generic, same-y riffs. Going by their music, they seems to have a similar grasp on politics as I did when I was in 6th grade.


Plus, the music is just bad. The riffs all sound the same, Zach can't rap for sh*t, and rapping over RAWKAN MUZIK is just a bad idea in general. It's corny and stupid.


Oh, and it aggravates the hell out of me when stupid goons call them metal. That sh*t ain't okay.


all just your humble opinions of course :lol:


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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:33 pm
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or Jimi, who killed himself with drugs.
If you actually knew anything about Jimi Hendrix you would know that he died of an accidental overdose of sleeping pills.

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Post subject: Re: Rage. Against. The. Machine.
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Floyd_The_Barber wrote:
RATM is bad

It's basically "baby's first rebellious music". It's hamfisted "rebellion" politics for 13 years olds, delivered to your ear-steps via corny, amateurish rapping and generic, same-y riffs. Going by their music, they seems to have a similar grasp on politics as I did when I was in 6th grade.

Plus, the music is just bad. The riffs all sound the same, Zach can't rap for sh*t, and rapping over RAWKAN MUZIK is just a bad idea in general. It's corny and stupid.

+1 overall...although there is the occasional song that I'll listen to all the way through.

I'm pretty much apolitical (left-wing, right-wing, no-wing, I DON'T CARE!)...but if a band is going to label itself "political," they dang sure better "live it," or I'll label them as the hypocrite(s) they've proven themselves to be...

And while I'm griping, the Nightwatchman was/is a stupid concept with poor music attached.

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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:58 pm
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AaronK wrote:
Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
I like a few songs overall...however...

Not to get political, but if Morello is such an avowed anarchist/communist, why does he regularly play instruments that are produced by corporations?

--Gibson is a multinational corporation run by a social conservative...and he regularly plays a semi-hollow Gibson 335(?)...

--He also regularly plays a Telecaster ("Arm The Homeless"? Yeah, Tom, let's give all the homeless guns, drop you off on skid row and see how it works out for you...), made by Fender, also a multinational corporation...

So which activist artist does not play a corporation instrument, I see it as shooting them down with their own creation. ("them" being the corporations)

You're missing the point...Morello claims to be disgusted by the way corporations treat workers, yet he's been in bed with large record labels and plays corporate-made instruments.

If he's truly for the "workers" he should find an independent craftsman who makes instruments with ecologically-friendly materials.

...or if he's a real anarchist, he should find such a craftsman and steal it...maybe one of the homeless guys he armed will loan him a gun. :roll:

I think Floyd's right--6th-grader political views, not impressive at all.

Less impressive still, their views are expressed in an immature and vulgar way. Say the same thing (and express your anger) without vulgarity and profanity and I'll be more impressed. They sound like a bunch of little kids trying to "talk tough." :| Appalling ignorance on display.

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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:30 am
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
I like a few songs overall...however...

Not to get political, but if Morello is such an avowed anarchist/communist, why does he regularly play instruments that are produced by corporations?

--Gibson is a multinational corporation run by a social conservative...and he regularly plays a semi-hollow Gibson 335(?)...

--He also regularly plays a Telecaster ("Arm The Homeless"? Yeah, Tom, let's give all the homeless guns, drop you off on skid row and see how it works out for you...), made by Fender, also a multinational corporation...

...and I don't know if they are fabulously wealthy, but I bet they are better off than 90% of us; so why haven't they given large amounts of their money to the poor, the homeless and other communistic/anarchistic groups?

I feel they are posturing poseurs, because they don't "live" the political standard they espouse.


I don't think Tom Morello is a communist... Unless I'm missing something here that he has proclaimed he was indeed a communist. Mind you, communism seems to be too much a rather dirty word- not that I'm communist by the way.

Yes he does play guitars and use equipment made by large corporations.. But also the corporations also have endorsed or used him for advertising too further promoting his music and agenda in a small way, so that can swing both ways.. But the corporations we are talking about dont have a negative impact on the communities they employ too. Otherwise I think morello would be strongly opposed

RATM just wanted to highlight issues and be a voice for their people.. That agenda for social justice was largely pushed by The lead singer, supported by morello but not to the same extent as Zack- whom was completely absorbed by what he believed in. They weren't a charity- all they were doing was highlighting social injustice issues and being a voice for the people who fell victim to it.

Personally, I think the best thing that happened to RATM was them disbanding.. I did like them but their last live album was a joke IMHO and I think it needed to end.

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I like the groove they're putting out. The fake,armchair revolutionary tripe, I could do without.


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Best Rage song ever.

We do this one (at my request) and it's prolly my favourite song in our list.
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Her Wanna wrote:
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RATM is bad



It's basically "baby's first rebellious music". It's hamfisted "rebellion" politics for 13 years olds, delivered to your ear-steps via corny, amateurish rapping and generic, same-y riffs. Going by their music, they seems to have a similar grasp on politics as I did when I was in 6th grade.


Plus, the music is just bad. The riffs all sound the same, Zach can't rap for sh*t, and rapping over RAWKAN MUZIK is just a bad idea in general. It's corny and stupid.


Oh, and it aggravates the hell out of me when stupid goons call them metal. That sh*t ain't okay.


all just your humble opinions of course :lol:

Actually, the points about their phony politics and genre of their music kinda... Aren't opinions. They "attack" big business, yet they work for a corporation that is heavily responsible for the destruction of its industry. The instruments and equipment, that's understandable; smaller crafters are expensive as hell, god help you if something breaks on tour. But the fact that they have ALWAYS been a major label cash cow? They can't be lining the pockets of greaseball record execs and then turn around and "boycott" corporations. It's an act, a sham, a gimmick; they use this revolutionary crap to pander to edgy teens who think they're going to be at the helm of revolution. They're in it for the money.


And of course, they just plain aren't metal. Simple as that. Rock isn't metal.

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