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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:23 pm
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I read all kinds of bad posts and complaints about Gibson here and would make you think Gibson was run and manufactured by a bunch of chimps. Then I go look at them in my local G. C. stores and find that they are magnificent beautiful works of art and craftsmanship.

I think Gibson makes as good or better guitar as they ever have. The same goes for Fender. There are a few bad ones in every bunch, it just happens.

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:37 am
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I think the price point of some of the Gibson guitars make people scrutinize them a bit more.
My Gibson LP was great right out of the box and it's not really an expensive guitar. It's a 60's Studio Tribute with P-90's. The only issues I saw at the local Sam Ash were the way they had them hanging on the walls in freezing cold air conditioning and the humidity was all over the place and that destroyed the setups. They have since corrected the problem. The store is a bit warmer now and the guitars seem a bit better. A lot of times it's just people parroting other people but never had any personal experience or again just parroting other comments and calling them their own. I'm my own judge and jury.

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:31 pm
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63supro wrote:
A lot of times it's just people parroting other people but never had any personal experience or again just parroting other comments and calling them their own.


+1000!

Jimmy Page, Duane Allman, Martin Barre, Gary Richrath, Leslie West, Joseph Walsh, Neal Schon, and hundreds of other accomplished guitarists can't all be wrong.

:lol:

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:15 pm
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I dunno, Gibson are not without their flaws, then again no one is. It's just that when you're asked to pay double for a "Standard", it's not wrong to expect double.
I love my Les, I really do. However it took me well over a hundred guitars to find one where the high E didn't trap between the binding and the fret end. They use a ridiculously hard and needless method to fret/bind necks, that I just don't understand the reasons for.
Then there is the headstock design flaws. All that stress on a thin bit of quartersawn mahogany with that short short grain. Then the poor design of the G&D string path from the nut to the tuner. Doesn't make for great tuning stability though it's perfectly solvable. Even more solvable at the factory though.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Les, I really do. It's an iconic guitar from a company with history. Sadly that company would rather muck about with self tuning instruments with 20,000 on board effects. Than maybe doing something sensible and not invasive, like widening the nut slots at the back of the G&D string nut slots. Or maybe not insisting on using quarter sawn lumber. Maybe even scarf jointing the headstock on the painted neck guitars. It's gotta be better than a needless maple fretboard on a Les Paul, hasn't it?

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:16 pm
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Conversely, you can look at a vintage Strat or Tele and see how (though I hate to term it so) improvements have been made over the decades. First the fretboard wood, then the truss adjuster, then the electrics. Right into the 80's when they got a pretty big overhaul when Fender thought people wanted something different rather than just better quality.

So now if I were to compare my Les with the only Fender guitar I own of similar value from the same year of manufacture. I end up comparing it to my Custom Shop Custom Classic. Though the CS guitar was a good £300 less than the Les at it's new price (I bought both used). I'd have to say, if I were to compare both unemotionally, the CS guitar would have it. Far prettier wood, far nicer rosewood on the board. The fretwork is like Jesus himself came down from Heaven and gave everyone a lesson on proper frets. And to top it all off, the thing hasn't been out of it's case in 18 months (it's rigged for country/jazz/clean stuff), I'd bet it's no more than half a turn out of tune on the B string.

But yeah, as I sit typing this on my fLaptop, it's my Les thats on the sofa next to me. Viva le difference.


As a completely other aside. Earlier I went down the guitar shop, cos I was bored out of my skull. Right in time for a delivery from FMIC to land. Which being ever helpful, I set about unpacking for the shop. Until I got to this Chinese Jazzmaster/Jaguar/Jagmaster. Well colour me impressed. Straight out the box, tune it up, plug it in. And the thing played like a dream. I couldn't believe it. It reaffirmed my belief that a lot of what is wrong with new guitars happens at the shop. The store salesman and I were passing the thing back and forth, absolutely blasting it. It a 2 piece mahogany body and the smoothest neck, great action. Nothing major on the intonation, it was good to gig out the box, I really couldn't believe it. Everything about it was impressive. It was obvious that the thing had been built right from the first cut.
Some fella wandered in looking at the Squiers. I insisted he play the guitar, he bought it. £364 of quality straight in and straight out the door.

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:41 pm
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Yeah but what kind of Epiphone's are these guitslinger? The cheap as chips Epi's that sell for about £250 here are pieces of crap i hear. They have a dreadful reputation. Where are these Epi's made nowadays?

I like the look of the Epi LP Customs but only if there's a better standard of workmanship.

Rescued a beat up Epi SG from a hock shop (Cash Converters) mid '90s when a housemate asked if I could get a solid body guitar. They had none on display at the store and I asked the assistant , who said there was a damaged guitar out back. Needless to say the housemate didn't get a look in and I snapped it for £25.00.

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There was a nasty split in the body and a bodged replacement machine head on the G string. I repaired the split and a minor service of electrics, but never got around to replacing the machine head.
Once set up it played great, and still does. Whats more is it stays in tune, and I don't mean for a few hours but days , months , years even (that totally shocked me.)
Pickups have a pretty low output compared to a Gibson SG or my Strat, but can still get a good range of sound from them.


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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:43 pm
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Well, the intruder leaves tomorrow,
and I get my Strat back. I did not
play it as much as I should have, to
get a more informed opinion.

What I came away with is Gibsons are
delicate instruments. Should I ever get one,
it would be a fine hollow body, real delicate and admirable.

The other side of the spectrum would be a Telecaster,
pretty much indestructible, which is what in my view
an electric guitar should be. Rough and ready for
a dusty road or a rainy gig is my preference.

The superior craft born out of exceptional industrial design
was Leo Fender´s genius IMHO. He envisioned.

Anyways, my kids have abducted my ´89 Japan Strats so
I was happy to sound my destroyer axe, a Chinese Squire.
Those inexpensive ceramic pickups have a nice chime to them.

Cheers.

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