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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:46 am
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I had an LP,but I sold it years ago. It sounded great,but the neck was too thick for me. It was like using a baseball bat for a neck. That's just my personal view. I know many of you like it.It just wasn't for me.


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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:22 am
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Chances are, he probably doesn't have it set up properly if the G string keeps on going out of tune. I own a 2004 MIK Epiphone Gothic Les Paul Studio model which stays in tune , even the G string. On those type of bridges , if he has the saddle up all the way, he can just tale it off and reverse it until the intonation is set . That'll guarantee it to stay in tune then with no problems. Or he could do what I did which is to go and buy a Graph-Tech NV-2 Bridge . Once I installed that, my tuning problems were solved, plus it added more sustain and tone.Image


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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:34 am
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63supro wrote:
Here's my 60's Studio Tribute with P-90's and a Honeyburst finish. It's chambered, yeah I know the purists want a boat anchor, but I welcome the weight relief. It plays beautifully and is a serious tone monster. Only cost me $800 and most people who play it love it. I screwed the tailpiece to the body and top wound the strings. Sustains incredibly well and is very lively and resonant. Great bang for the buck and an American made instrument to boot. The LP Studios are fine guitars and as far as a string hanging in the nut, I use Big Bends Nut Sauce on all my guitars. Sometimes gunk gets caught in the nut and causes problems. I welcome all kinds of guitars and the tonal pallet they offer. I'd never call any of them an intruder, they offer a lot of different voices. I almost came home with a Melody Maker the other night. Gibson offers a lot of low cost options that are all made in America. That Melody Maker was a blast to play. It's still calling me and at $299 it still might follow me home. :lol:

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You simply must give it to me NOW!!!

The problem with the G (and D string) hanging comes down to the design of the guitar. If you look at the headstock of any 3 a side Gibbo (though the Melody Makers suffer it a lot less) there is a sharp break angle behind the nut on those strings. The real solution is to widen the slots at the rear of the nut. Not a job for the faint hearted because even though the Gibbo nut is thicker than a Fender nut, the same applies. One wrong pass with the file and it's start over again.

Instead of over wrapping the tailpiece, I'd tried it and didn't like it. Too little break angle over the saddles for my taste. I went to Faber for their stupidly priced and incredibly hard to shop locking tailpiece and Nashville to ABR1 conversion kit.
I'm impressed, I've just the right break angle over the saddles. The tailpiece is in full contact with the body. Every string could come off the guitar and the bridge and tailpiece won't come off. The excessive high mid spike has been tamed. Whether I'm £150 worth of impressed remains to be seen.

As for Melody Makers. Oh Supro, I know what you mean. Bloke from a classic rock band local to me bought his DSL round to be biased and have the footswitch sorted. Dropped em back to him a couple of days later and he had a Melody Maker there he'd got for £200. Single P90 LP Jr shape.
Smitten mate, thats all I can say about it. Charming little no nonsense guitar. One of the best punk sounds I've ever heard out of that guitar. Not that that really interests you. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:04 pm
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I have never owned a Gibson or Epiphone. I hope to one day but right now its not in the cards. I actually like them and how they sound but the body size gets me every time. They're just so small and I am a short guy. I do have a Shecter for my humbucker needs and it plays more like a Fender than it does a Gibson.


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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:46 pm
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There's nothing at all wrong with a good Gibson.



+1

Always thought PAFs sounded really nice through BF Fender amps.


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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:10 pm
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Thanks Niki, I love that guitar. It's one of the best playing and sounding guitars I own. That was the fourth one I tried. Sam Ash has them hanging on the wall through all kinds of air conditioning and heating situations and the setups were horrible. That one came out of the box and was perfect. A buddy of mine who's an incredible player recommended the top wrap. Actually the break angle is a little steeper on mine then when it was stock.It did seem to improve the sustain a little. I've never had any tuning issues with it and I use Nut Sauce on all my guitars. Fender fixes the break angle with string trees. Those P90's are truly incredible.

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:13 pm
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Toronado wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
There's nothing at all wrong with a good Gibson.



+1

Always thought PAFs sounded really nice through BF Fender amps.


Absolutely!

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:41 pm
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a few years ago i answered a craigslist ad looking for someone to restring and tune a guitar for someone with no experience doing so. i expected it was a kid with his first guitar, but turns out it was a 30 something year old man , a firefighter, who had been given the guitar as a gift, but he had no interest in it. he wanted to make it playable to sell. I was very impressed with the looks, it was a really nice darker wood les paul. not sure what it was exactly, been too long. anyway, after i got it all strung up and tuned I plugged it in.... i was horrified.... so bad. sounded like a toy. felt like a block of wood from the back yard. horrible. I looked it up, it retailed for like 5k. couldn't believe it. it reaffirmed all my thoughts on LPs.
a year or so later the same guy called me again, the same "crazy" aunt had bought him yet another guitar, and it needed a little work plus new strings. it was yet another high dollar les paul. same exact story. looked beautiful, sounded and played terrible. I've tried to keep an open mind and I've picked several up at guitar shops...never found one I liked.

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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:31 pm
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Love my Les Paul & love my Mustang--different guitars with different sounds and a different feel to each one.
I play them a little differently and prefer the LP for some things & the Mustang for others, and on some things I have no preference

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:49 am
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The thing is, Gibson has some pretty cool, great sounding lower end stuff if, like me, you don't care about the bling. The bling is nice but not really necessary. Those Melody Makers and Studio's scream, but still have some nice lower volume tones to them. Getting out of the Fender box if you're a Fender guy or a Gibson if you're a Gibson guy can really improve your playing style. I play a lot of different brands of guitars.

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:52 am
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63supro wrote:
I play a lot of different brands of guitars.


Wait, you mean ... there are other brands?

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:04 am
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Searched for two years and played well over a hundred Les Pauls before I found one I thought was worth buying. Funny guitars and funny to set up. What works with one may not with another. At least with my Strats they're all within the same ballpark regarding pickup heights, string height and relief. The Gibbo is outlandish in that the strings need to be lower than I would normally prefer and the neck nigh on straight or it is horrible. It's got nothing to do with neck thickness either, the neck is pretty much the same thickness as my Strats.

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:45 pm
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I've always associated heavy with reliable.

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:58 pm
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chrisconsin wrote:
I've always associated heavy with reliable.

Sometimes is mean 'fragile' :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Trying to be fair to an intruder.
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:41 pm
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I actually kind of like how different my Les Paul feels and sounds to my Fenders. When I won my Les Paul, I really didn't care too much about it... Until it showed up at my door and plugged it in! It still took me a while to warm up to it, but I play out with it at least once a week now. It's weight relieved, which is absolutely essential for me. I'm not a huge fan of humbuckers, but once you get into this range (the pups alone cost nearly $200 each), they sound more open and dynamically responsive than most humbuckers I've tried. It also has a 60's neck profile, which is what you need to get if you like Fenders (which the exception of and old baseball bat neck Broadcaster, then you need a 50's neck). I don't see my Les Paul ever replacing my (much more inexpensive) Empress Tele or Custom Strat as my main guitar, but it's a close second. :)

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Years ago (when I was a young disciple of Jimmy Page), I used to cut pictures of that exact Les Paul out of guitar magazines and hang them on wall where the real one is now. :lol:

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