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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:48 pm
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I played my Strat this morning and it felt like freedom.
And that´s as good as it gets.

They will sell your information, and some crogmanon
will reach you from an accursed call center to sell you
more crap and services.
Special Interest gorups= Government.

One doesn´t find "nations" on earth, nor "people".
One finds indivuduals.

The maddening race towards growth now poses serious questions.
And it´s paradoxical, demographic explotion is grave, yet this damned
pyramid has been the way to get all the things and modernity we benefit from.

After what the banks got away with in 09, I made up my mind.
No more stocks, screw bank loans, my money is with me, just
a minimal balance to keep the right to use the ATM. Stopped reading
editorials, don´t vote anymore. Play my guitar at the orphanage and
treat my 3 employees with excellence. Can´t change the power structure,
just count me out from absurdity.
When pre-emptive war was shoved down our throats, I made it
a point to buy from and support local buisinesses.
I´m dedicated to raising my kids as
individuals, teaching them to provide nimbly for their needs,
circumventing the system where possible.

"How´s the carrot"-asked Don Juan.
Castaneda replied, "which carrot?"
-The one they shoved down your butt;
they´ll be putting a handle on it soon-

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:46 pm
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I do not want to piss in anyone's Cheerios, but this is the world (US) we live in. Unfortunately we do not have enemies that play by the book, or have an ounce of decency in their bones.

Until the world can play well together, we will always have Governments doing what they feel is best for their individual doctrine's well-being. Some will pass this off as "protecting their citizens" or protecting national interests. It's all a bunch of crap, and until the day comes when the human race finds a way to live as one species we will be consumed with our own defination of the greater good.

Do what you can in your part of the world, do what is right, and in a few thousand years the crap happening today will not matter anymore.

Just my 2 cents, now let the flaming begin.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:00 pm
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If you think that Obama is stripping your rights,you should take a look to the North of you and see what Stephen Harper is doing to Canadians.He has stripped more important social programs that were set up to champion the rights of many diverse sections of society,he has a borderline hatred for our First Nations people and now he's going after new immigrants who have become Canadian citizens by making i almost impossible to sponsor or bring in immediate family from their country of origin therefore sons and daughters are deprived of a parent and husbands are helpless in bringing their wives into the country.I would much rather have a man like Obama running our country rather than the megalomaniacal,vindictive, deceitful,petty,bigoted rascist fascist we have at the helm for the next 3 years.Stephen Harper is a liability to Canada.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:43 pm
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It's quite unusual to see an anti - govt thread on any US-based forums. Stoic patriotism tends to blind people. Other nations have seen the rampant paranoia of successive US govts more objectively for decades, and many see the paranoia as a means to another end.

More fear and anxiety (and govts love to whip this up) means govts can take more control, locally, and in economic and strategic regions. They used to be more covert, such as Nicaragua, but now you can just cross borders to carry out assignations, and such is the fear, instead of being concerned at the methods, other nations also applaud.

Such 'security' is only making the problem even bigger, which of course will require ever more stringent 'security'.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:25 pm
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My respects to all scripts published on this thread,
and everyone´s moderation in keeping it cordial.
After all, us being Fender users speaks volumes
of the quality of our individual consciusness, which
is the main factor influencing existence.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:10 pm
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I can't see how rights have been taken away, governments have been doing this for as nearly as long as most households have had telephones. But not to worry- it is one of the luxuries that you can choose not to have.

But seriously, it will have no impact on your lives. The government won't be knocking on your doors anytime soon to ask about your phone calls or texts.

Truth be told, your NSA & CIA agency have a station about 45mins drive north of where I live called Waihopai and this station aids the monitoring of fax, email, internet, phone chatter and text messages. Mainly for international terrorist surveillance, there is another station in central Australia in a place called Pine Gap. Interesting eh? Especially since these facilities have been spying since before my time..

Alas, not to worry- no rights have been taken away. It won't limit you in anyway.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:58 am
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Blertles wrote:
Alas, not to worry- no rights have been taken away. It won't limit you in anyway.


You clearly have no concept whatsoever of the rights that United States Citizens have enjoyed since 1789, nor the ramifications of such unwarranted coercive government intrusion into the right of privacy that most of us hold sacrosanct.

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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:41 am
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All Hail the Central Scrutinizer, tis for your own good you know, your intellectual property is mine, my intellectual property is also mine yadda yadda yadda, soon we shall be able to reseal their letters without them knowing, zen vee shall roool ze vurld Muhahahaha


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:27 am
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Obama and no one else is stripping your rights away. Your rights are given and therefore can be taken. They don't belong to you if someone allows you to have them. That is the problem with rights, they only affect the obedient.
The only complete freedom is to do as you will, whenever you want. In truth, you'll be imprisoned for it if you live in a civilized part of the world (so you may want to reconsider if you're in Alabama Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Delaware Florida Georgia Idaho Indiana Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Virginia Washington Wyoming).

I'd go with the anarchist rhetoric that King Of Pain came out with, it reads right but in practice works out as nothing more than replacing one ruler and set of rules with another. Usually some form of communism.

And what is so wrong with violence. I think violence in a time of need is as valid as any other response. In fact without violence we'd all be in a lot worse state now. Probably half hanging out of some other animal.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:26 am
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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:40 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Blertles wrote:
Alas, not to worry- no rights have been taken away. It won't limit you in anyway.


You clearly have no concept whatsoever of the rights that United States Citizens have enjoyed since 1789, nor the ramifications of such unwarranted coercive government intrusion into the right of privacy that most of us hold sacrosanct.

I must admit, that's pretty nostalgic. I guess if you were black, then you wouldn't have enjoyed the rights much back then, right up to 1965.

The notion of privacy is a paradox of US culture too. A culture that gave us Paparazzi, Jerry Springer, Oprah, and televised pop-therapy, where people are happy to lay out pretty much anything and everything to millions.


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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:43 am
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I'm kind of staggered by the amount of people posting here who have no concept of the differences between rights and permissions. I guess I shouldn't be, but it's kind of sad. Your natural state. As is that of every man, woman and child is free. Government is simply the human right of retaliatory violence against aggression stripped from or surrendered by the individual and given to an organization. Government can't give you rights. Because you are born with them. It is only giving you what it has already taken away.

As for the disgusting notion that you have a right to things that you require others to provide for you. Those are not rights. Those are services or goods provided for you by the enslavement of your fellow man.

As far as the rights we enjoyed in this nation up to a certain point. Those aren't rights provided for you by the government. Those are rights the government had, up until that point, decided to let you keep. The reason for this is mainly the 2nd Amendment. Now that it's been erroded to a point over time, while the government has been expanding it's military might simutaneously. You really have much less hope of refusing those trespasses against your rights. The reason for this is that law and society is a lie. If you think any constitution actually binds government. Try hiding behind it when the police come to your door. You'll find bullets pass right through paper.

Make no mistake. The government in this country has always lived at the expense of freedom. It's always been an enemy of freedom. It's one that was designed to let people keep enough of their freedom so that they would always remember to guard it against the government, while keeping them safe from foreign powers. Of course, this failed. It always will.

In the end. Government is violence. It's power. It will always be sought by the corrupt. Whether they reside in a church, a bank, a board room or a union hall. It's a negative. It is the first violation in a never ending string of violations. Because violence begets violence. Everything that stems from it is tainted and spoiled. It's a corruption of the natural order of the world.

There will always be people who violate the rights of the individual in the world. However, just because you live in fear of that doesn't give you the right to violate everyone first to keep you safe. That's all government is. The violation of mass groups of people by themselves to blame other groups of people for their woes and fears, and to live under the false assumption that it keeps them safe. The only thing it is keeping you safe from is the reality that we are all individually responsible for ourselves, our actions, and our futures.

Lumping yourselves together by race, religion, geography or any other nonsensical catergory like cattle does nothing but allow you to point fingers at each other instead of each of us holding ourselves accountable for our actions and taking responsibility for our lives and allowing the corrupt to live at your expense.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:00 am
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This whole thread would be about 10 Bob Marley songs worth of material if be was still alive.

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Post subject: Re: Another Of Our Rights Taken Away !
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:42 pm
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If this thread were a song it would be.....

I wanna be sedated.

For real. I came here to talk rock and roll and guitars and good stuff.

The great thing about a guitar is that when you pick it up you have a direct line into your emotions. And you don't have to talk about it.

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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:21 pm
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